Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI

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How is that disingenuous? He PLAYED alongside Schenn. Stone and Ferland were on the team, the point being it was a deep team. It is just a PSA regarding matchups.
Calvert factored in on 30% of the Wheat Kings’ goals playing on the top line on a run and gun team.

Malatesta factored in on 23% of the Remparts’ goals playing on the second line of a much more defensive oriented team.

The points comparison might be more disingenuous because Malatesta played 13 less games than Calvert. A full 68 games for Malatesta projects to be 46G 36A 82P. So sure his assists are fewer but how much of that is attributed to the finishing ability of his linemates?

You look at the Remparts team and there are 3 NHL players (at F), Bolduc, Gaucher, Malatesta.

Remparts are plenty loaded. Malatesta gets fewer assists because he isn't a good passer. That's not new. He's not as skilled as Calvert.
 
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At forward??

Yes. Malatesta has very high scoring linemates.

Being less skilled does not mean you will put up fewer points.

Actually it does.

Jenner is less skilled than Roslovic, yet scored more points. Having “heart” matters.

Jenner scored much lower than Roslovic per minute, and played with much better linemates.

I'm not really sure what broader point you're trying to make. I jumped into this because you mischaracterized Calvert vs Malatesta as juniors.
 

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Yes. Malatesta has very high scoring linemates.
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Who? He’s been playing with Robidas, Gaucher (when healthy) with Gaudet or Agonstino on the wings. He has more PPG than all of those guys.
Actually it does.
It doesn’t though. Umberger and Dubinsky were not the most skilled players yet are high on our franchise list for scoring. Texier is more “skilled” than either player.
Jenner scored much lower than Roslovic per minute, and played with much better linemates.
And why is that? Which is more valuable?

Also I looked it up, and that’s not even true at all. 5v5 Jenner scored more /60 mins than Jack. Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick
Unless you are talking points, where Jack does lead. What’s funny about that is when you sort by games where the CBJ are trailing, or trailing by 1, Jenner is ahead of Roslovic in P/60 too. Almost like there is more to hockey than just skill :sarcasm:
I'm not really sure what broader point you're trying to make. I jumped into this because you mischaracterized Calvert vs Malatesta as juniors.
That Malatesta projects to be a similar player Calvert. Agitating bottom 6 winger who can score and plays with heart. The type of guys you need in the playoffs.
 
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I definitely can see the Calvert comparison. To play devil's advocate, I could also see a comparison to TFW being valid.
 

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I definitely can see the Calvert comparison. To play devil's advocate, I could also see a comparison to TFW being valid.
I think if TFW played with the grit and compete hes capable of he would have been in the NHL already. I dont know if hes tentative because of the injuries or what but it kind of goes away when he gets to the big league. He atleast recognized it last year. He does have much higher playmaking ability though
 

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What about TJ Tynan as a comparison? Guy works his ass off. But he is more of a stud AHLer than legit NHL player. He has played in 21 NHL games for 3 teams.

Calvert was special. My favorite Calvert stat was that he once had a hat trick for the Wheat Kings and all 3 goals were short handed. Oh, and it was in a playoff game.
 
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What about TJ Tynan as a comparison? Guy works his ass off. But he is more of a stud AHLer than legit NHL player. He has played in 21 NHL games for 3 teams.

Calvert was special. My favorite Calvert stat was that he once had a hat trick for the Wheat Kings and all 3 goals were short handed. Oh, and it was in a playoff game.
He has an inch and 30lbs on Tynan, despite being 11 years younger.
 

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I actually first thought of Derek Dorsett followed closely by Calvert for Malatesta. I think he's between the two and would love to see him make the CBJ at some point.
 
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Who? He’s been playing with Robidas, Gaucher (when healthy) with Gaudet or Agonstino on the wings. He has more PPG than all of those guys.

It doesn’t though. Umberger and Dubinsky were not the most skilled players yet are high on our franchise list for scoring. Texier is more “skilled” than either player.

And why is that? Which is more valuable?

Also I looked it up, and that’s not even true at all. 5v5 Jenner scored more /60 mins than Jack. Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick
Unless you are talking points, where Jack does lead. What’s funny about that is when you sort by games where the CBJ are trailing, or trailing by 1, Jenner is ahead of Roslovic in P/60 too. Almost like there is more to hockey than just skill :sarcasm:

That Malatesta projects to be a similar player Calvert. Agitating bottom 6 winger who can score and plays with heart. The type of guys you need in the playoffs.

This is so slimy. I'm not arguing against heart. I'm saying he's not as skilled as Calvert as a junior. That's why he has about half the assists. Neither player lacks heart so why did you bring that into this?

Robidas, Gaucher, etc... are all point per game players so good luck arguing that they're holding him back. (actually don't, you would try to argue anything and I don't want to hear it).
 

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This is so slimy.
Feeling supercilious?
I'm not arguing against heart. I'm saying he's not as skilled as Calvert as a junior. That's why he has about half the assists. Neither player lacks heart so why did you bring that into this?
… and I’m saying he’s close to as skilled as Calvert, and people thinking he doesn’t have the same scoring potential are wrong. Calvert’s best season was 26 points, Malatesta absolutely has the potential to score 20-30 points. For the “advanced” stat folks, his NHLPe is 40 this year, and has been above 35 for the past 3 seasons. https://dobberprospects.com/player/james-malatesta/

Because he is similar to Calvert in the fact that you can visibly see the heart/effort. It will not show up on the scoresheet, but is extremely valuable. The type of intangible that I value(d) in both players….
Robidas, Gaucher, etc... are all point per game players so good luck arguing that they're holding him back. (actually don't, you would try to argue anything and I don't want to hear it).
Who pissed in your Cheerios?

The Wheat Kings had at LEAST 6 point per game players during Calvert’s draft +1 & +2 years (and neither Stone or Ferland were PPG at that time). This is the first year the Remparts will even have more than 2 point per game players since 2014/15 - they will have 6 players though.

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It’s funny usually I’m the pessimist/realist with respect to CBJ prospects, yet when it comes to Svozil and Malatesta people seem to be even more hesitant than me! You could see it two years ago in camp/Traverse/Pre-season, the way they skate, the way they receive a pass (especially a bad pass), the way they think the game and move on the ice - they both are NHL players.
 
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Feeling supercilious?

… and I’m saying he’s close to as skilled as Calvert, and people thinking he doesn’t have the same scoring potential are wrong. Calvert’s best season was 26 points, Malatesta absolutely has the potential to score 20-30 points. For the “advanced” stat folks, his NHLPe is 40 this year, and has been above 35 for the past 3 seasons. https://dobberprospects.com/player/james-malatesta/

Because he is similar to Calvert in the fact that you can visibly see the heart/effort. It will not show up on the scoresheet, but is extremely valuable. The type of intangible that I value(d) in both players….

Who pissed in your Cheerios?

The Wheat Kings had at LEAST 6 point per game players during Calvert’s draft +1 & +2 years (and neither Stone or Ferland were PPG at that time). This is the first year the Remparts will even have more than 2 point per game players since 2014/15 - they will have 6 players though.

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It’s funny usually I’m the pessimist/realist with respect to CBJ prospects, yet when it comes to Svozil and Malatesta people seem to be even more hesitant than me! You could see it two years ago in camp/Traverse/Pre-season, the way they skate, the way they receive a pass (especially a bad pass), the way they think the game and move on the ice - they both are NHL players.


I'm not making arguments about potential. The expectation that he is Calvert 2.0 (or better), those are the assertions being debate here. You can go back and look at how this discussion started if you've forgotten.

Neither of us know much about the caliber of second line junior players outside of our organization, at least not much beyond point totals. Yet you're sitting here going on about how Malatesta's point per game linemates are holding his points back. You obviously don't actually know that.

For the record, I think Malatesta does have intriguing potential. He might be a more impactful player than Calvert in the end, perhaps because of his strength and sturdy frame. But I think if he finds that success, it will be despite the talent to some degree. He doesn't have the puck skills that Calvert did. His pass accuracy is much worse.
 

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Svozil article from Monday:

"This Summer Matters"​

So far, he has a number two in the column of starts in the most famous league in the world. But he could easily add more matches in the next season. "Sure, but I don't want to look ahead like that. This summer is very important for me and I have to prepare for the next year," says the silver medalist from the U20 Championship.

The feedback from the Blue Jackets representatives was also very positive. "They were excited after my season. They definitely have higher expectations of me now. There is more that I need to finish, but mainly I should get stronger and gain muscle mass. We'll see how it goes based on that," says the WHL's third most productive regular season.
 

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Svozil article from Monday:


I've got Svozil behind only Jiricek among our top prospects. He's got a chance to make the roster this Fall and the upside is big.
 

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He's got a chance to make the roster this Fall
Sure but considering the fact we don't know how deep LD position will be after free agency and if the "next man up" policy is even existing within the team anymore, I think it's premature to make strong guesses of his chances.

There are also other question marks, such as does he have enough internal drive and good genetics to build that needed muscle and improve different aspects of his game in a span of 3-4 months? All of our young players sound motivated to improve themselves in the offseason based on article quotes but which of them are likely to achieve the results everyone would like to see? I'm fairly confident in Johnson making progress, not so sure about the rest...
 

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Sure but considering the fact we don't know how deep LD position will be after free agency and if the "next man up" policy is even existing within the team anymore, I think it's premature to make strong guesses of his chances.

There are also other question marks, such as does he have enough internal drive and good genetics to build that needed muscle and improve different aspects of his game in a span of 3-4 months? All of our young players sound motivated to improve themselves in the offseason based on article quotes but which of them are likely to achieve the results everyone would like to see? I'm fairly confident in Johnson making progress, not so sure about the rest...

Right, it's not a strong guess.

If Bean is back and we bring in a second pair guy (Hanifin?) then they probably put Svozil in Cleveland unless he blows them away in camp. Berni is more than capable as well.
 
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Right, it's not a strong guess.

If Bean is back and we bring in a second pair guy (Hanifin?) then they probably put Svozil in Cleveland unless he blows them away in camp. Berni is more than capable as well.
He'd have to really blow them away Id imagine. Its incredible what that year in Regina did for him. Not only did he put up the numbers he was option 2 on a team and playing major minutes on a team that plays a lot of games. I dont know if that makes him ready for an NHL season yet but hes already closer than I expected at this time.

Gets interesting in 2 years if they do add another LD and you have Mateychuk and Svozil competing for the same job
 

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Nobody answered my question from a few days ago regarding the highlights of Dolzhenkov scoring two goals. What tournament was that from seeing how Russia has been barred from competing in any of the more well known events?
 

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Nobody answered my question from a few days ago regarding the highlights of Dolzhenkov scoring two goals. What tournament was that from seeing how Russia has been barred from competing in any of the more well known events?
The Liga Stavok Cup. 2 Russian teams u20+u21 and 2 Belarus teams u20+u21.

Liga Stavok is a Russian gambling company, I think they sponsor it just for those 4 teams.
 
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The Liga Stavok Cup. 2 Russian teams u20+u21 and 2 Belarus teams u20+u21.

Liga Stavok is a Russian gambling company, I think they sponsor it just for those 4 teams.
Thanks, so my snide original comment was close (I figured six country tourney: Soviet Union, Belarus, Iran, North Korea, Syria and China)
 

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