Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI

[tunnelvision]

When we took him late in the first round my expectation was Gabe Carlsson and he looks much much better than that. He’s much more skilled than I expected.

I'm curious to know why did you think of him having similar skill set as Carlsson?

 

[stevo61]

I'm curious to know why did you think of him having similar skill set as Carlsson?

Late 1st round defenseman after mutiple 1st rounders that is seen as a bit of a project or needs some time Im guessing the connection.
I liked the Carlsson pick at the time, shame he hasnt met his potential to this point.

 

[Doggy]

Marchenko's goal was easy with the wide open net...it was his initial pass on what became a sort of "give and go" that made the goal possible. IOW, the goal was fine but the vision not to take the first shot and pass it off shows hockey IQ which was more important there.

On the KJ highlights play by play, was that our old friend DK Jr?

 

[tunnelvision]

On the KJ highlights play by play, was that our old friend DK Jr?

If that is him, his voice has changed a bit in less than a year. Here's Kelly's PBP from last spring:

 

[Cowumbus]

I'm curious to know why did you think of him having similar skill set as Carlsson?

Not the same skill set, but usually those guys need a lot of work. When it’s that late in the first I think of guys like Gabe Carlsson or John Moore.

 

[Cowumbus]

Holy cow KJ13 again:

 

[ViD]

Bring Johnson, Marchenko over next year. Very possible at least one top 5 pick in a projected to be a strong draft. The rebuild might be completed next year

 

[stevo61]

Bring Johnson, Marchenko over next year. Very possible at least one top 5 pick in a projected to be a strong draft. The rebuild might be completed next year

Dont think relying on a bunch of rookies and sophmores counts as a completed rebuild

 

[MoeBartoli]

As I look two years out and Marchenko and Johnson are part of the organization, I’d assume Marchenko will be on the CBJ roster and Johnson will be in the AHL strengthening. Marchenko thus will join Sillinger and Chinakov. Bjork, Boone, Ros (likely) and Robinson will be core forward vets.

So….who among the older prospects -Tex, Bemstrom and Foudy - will be on the CBJ roster? Thoughts?

 

[ViD]

Bring Johnson, Marchenko over next year. Very possible at least one top 5 pick in a projected to be a strong draft. The rebuild might be completed next year

It’s ok, it might take a year or two to mature the team but the personnel will be there

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

As I look two years out and Marchenko and Johnson are part of the organization, I’d assume Marchenko will be on the CBJ roster and Johnson will be in the AHL strengthening. Marchenko thus will join Sillinger and Chinakov. Bjork, Boone, Ros (likely) and Robinson will be core forward vets.

So….who among the older prospects -Tex, Bemstrom and Foudy - will be on the CBJ roster? Thoughts?

I think it’s time to stop thinking about Foudy the same way we do about Tex and Bem, despite that they are only one draft year separated. But Foudy and Marchenko are the same draft, and they’re clearly considered somehow different in this post and many others.

To be honest, I still struggle with how to consider Tex and Bem. Their careers may be permanently impacted by the difficult nature of player development during the pandemic, combined with some uncertainty in how the team handled it plus the fact of the rounds in which they were drafted.

But mostly I wanted to make the point about Foudy.

 

[CBJx614]

I think it’s time to stop thinking about Foudy the same way we do about Tex and Bem, despite that they are only one draft year separated. But Foudy and Marchenko are the same draft, and they’re clearly considered somehow different in this post and many others.

To be honest, I still struggle with how to consider Tex and Bem. Their careers may be permanently impacted by the difficult nature of player development during the pandemic, combined with some uncertainty in how the team handled it plus the fact of the rounds in which they were drafted.

But mostly I wanted to make the point about Foudy.

We should write off Foudy after a total of 40 pro games over a 2 year period in the middle of a pandemic where any semblance of normalcy hasn't existed?

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

We should write off Foudy after a total of 40 pro games over a 2 year period in the middle of a pandemic where any semblance of normalcy hasn't existed?

No…

 

[LJ7]

We should write off Foudy after a total of 40 pro games over a 2 year period in the middle of a pandemic where any semblance of normalcy hasn't existed?

I think DSL meant we should group Foudy with the Marchenko, Voronkov, Tarasov "the clock hasn't even started to tick" group and not the Tex, Bemstrom "clock is ticking" group. In other words you two agree if I'm reading it right

 

[majormajor]

We should write off Foudy after a total of 40 pro games over a 2 year period in the middle of a pandemic where any semblance of normalcy hasn't existed?

DSL was saying that Foudy is a prospect just like Marchenko (same age), not an "older prospect" that would be considered less valuable. Not that I particularly like the idea of giving up on Tex and Bem either. It's all foolish this early.

 

[majormajor]

As I look two years out and Marchenko and Johnson are part of the organization, I’d assume Marchenko will be on the CBJ roster and Johnson will be in the AHL strengthening. Marchenko thus will join Sillinger and Chinakov. Bjork, Boone, Ros (likely) and Robinson will be core forward vets.

So….who among the older prospects -Tex, Bemstrom and Foudy - will be on the CBJ roster? Thoughts?

Every few games I go through capfriendly's armchair GM and make a different lineup for 2023-24. It's all up in the air.

I think every one of those players will be NHL caliber, maybe not by that date, but probably. Johnson will be turning 21 that Fall, I would expect him to be ready. You could also list Voronkov in there. There's more edge cases like Angle, Dunne, and TFW, and there will be possible surprises like Malatesta. We'll also be drafting very high - perhaps 1 or 2 big name forwards from the 2022 draft will be in Columbus by their D+2s.

The big variable seems to be - how young do you want this team to be? How many forward veterans do you want, and how many kids? (out of the 12 forward spots)

And which veterans do we most want to keep?

Boone and Bjorky are the locks. Then we still have under contract:

Kuraly - replaceable, but not a super easy contract to move.
Robinson - not replaceable in my book but might also have good trade value.
Voracek - who knows if he can even skate in 2024. But he'll at least be on the roster.

Roslovic you'd think would be a keeper - he's a Columbus born center with a unique skillset. But it doesn't seem like he and Lars are clicking right now.

Gus is a captain and a real leader for this team. But his on-ice play could be replaced by then.

Domi is an interesting case, he could offer us something rarely valuable, or be one of the worst players, we have no idea.

You can say the same for Laine. I'm leaning right now towards Laine becoming a valuable player but probably not a $9m valuable player. Good luck figuring that one out Jarmo.

That's a long winded way of saying that what happens with Texier, Bemstrom, and Foudy depends largely on either decisions made about other players or holistic decisions about the team. I'd personally think that Tex and Foudy would make great 4th liners so I hope to keep them at least for that. Bemstrom is more in the crowd of shooters. I'm bullish on him making it as a solid scorer in the NHL but he'll probably have to make it on a different team.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

Think we need to keep adding NHL ready D prospects like we did with Bean and Boqvist. I don't know who in our system will be ready in two years. With our wing surplus I don't see why we can't swing some of those guys to balance out our roster

 

[CBJx614]

No…

I think DSL meant we should group Foudy with the Marchenko, Voronkov, Tarasov "the clock hasn't even started to tick" group and not the Tex, Bemstrom "clock is ticking" group. In other words you two agree if I'm reading it right

DSL was saying that Foudy is a prospect just like Marchenko (same age), not an "older prospect" that would be considered less valuable. Not that I particularly like the idea of giving up on Tex and Bem either. It's all foolish this early.

got it, completely misunderstood.

 

[EDM]

As I have said before, I think there is so much young talent in various levels and we are likely to add at least one or two more in 2022 draft that the only valid Tex & Bemstrum will have by 2024 is sentimental.

 

[EspenK]

As I have said before, I think there is so much young talent in various levels and we are likely to add at least one or two more in 2022 draft that the only valid Tex & Bemstrum will have by 2024 is sentimental.

I know you don't like either of them but Tex in particular could have value as a 3rd or 4th liner who could play up in a pinch.

Bemstrom I'm meh .

 

[Byrral]

As I have said before, I think there is so much young talent in various levels and we are likely to add at least one or two more in 2022 draft that the only valid Tex & Bemstrum will have by 2024 is sentimental.

You keep saying this as if it's a fact more than your personal opinion against two players that you don't care for. Ultimately you may be right but teams are not made up of four lines of skill guys that all play the same way. Guys like Texier who may have struggled being a first line player to this point has been a very effective player when put in a checking role on the 4th line. He also is a pretty good penalty killer. So he's a valuable player even if you see him differently or had higher expectations for him. Who knows about Bemstrom or what he may become. He's still raw but young enough to improve and make an impact. And that may end up happening on this team or another team.

So while I agree that some players will need to be moved to balance out the lineup it's not as easy as just removing certain players that you don't like as if suddenly everything will be great with those two gone. The bigger decisions for this team moving forward involve much bigger fish than these two players.

 

[Doggy]

You keep saying this as if it's a fact more than your personal opinion against two players that you don't care for. Ultimately you may be right but teams are not made up of four lines of skill guys that all play the same way. Guys like Texier who may have struggled being a first line player to this point has been a very effective player when put in a checking role on the 4th line. He also is a pretty good penalty killer. So he's a valuable player even if you see him differently or had higher expectations for him. Who knows about Bemstrom or what he may become. He's still raw but young enough to improve and make an impact. And that may end up happening on this team or another team.

So while I agree that some players will need to be moved to balance out the lineup it's not as easy as just removing certain players that you don't like as if suddenly everything will be great with those two gone. The bigger decisions for this team moving forward involve much bigger fish than these two players.

I would add that Tex and Bemmer are still just 22 years old. We live in this impatient world where everyone wants immediate satisfaction. Not every top six player is a top six player by the age of 20. If Tex and Bemmer had played college hockey they would have maybe just graduated this past year. Cam was 22 when he made his NHL debut. Gus was 24 when he finally nailed down an NHL roster spot. I will add they are only one year older than Marchenko who is still a question mark about whether he is a top six player in the NHL (you haven't done it until you've done it).

I don't know if Tex or Bemmer will ever be more than3rd or 4th line players. But I think Tex has already proven he belongs in this league and if nothing else is an effective grinder and penalty killer. Bemmer, this kid cannot catch a break and stay healthy long enough for us to see if he is progressing.

 

[EspenK]

In regards to Bemmstrom & Chinakhov I think they should play this year in Cleveland. Use Danforth and Hoffman take their spots. Its not like they are going to be the keys to making the playoffs. Add them to Foudy (not necessarily same line) and let them play.

 

[Johnny97]

 

[Viqsi]

This is encouraging.