Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI

[thebus88]

Interesting to note that Mateychuk is playing RD for Moose Jaw so far this season

With defenseman who are as skilled with the puck as Mateychuk, at both passing and stickhandling, I don’t think what side of the ice they play in is as important as many around here think.

It’s safe to say Mateychuk can handle a puck (and probably make a pass) on his backhand better than a Peeke/Gavrikov can on their forehand.

Another thing that was interesting watching game highlights from the past year, is that he spends quite a bit of time in the slot (“bumper” term is stupid imo) on the powerplay. They seemed to run a ‘5 man cycle/rotation’ and he doesn’t just set up shop there for the entire PP, but, it’s seemingly a “go to” spot for him, from a team and individual standpoint.

Extremely excited for Mateychuk. And Kent Johnson.

In a HYPOTHETICAL ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, I’d trade Jiricek, Sillinger and Boqvist to get Jones back in a sec. Yes, Sillinger is good. Jiricek might also be 1 day.

Jones is also good.

 

[stevo61]

Im glad we live in this universe

 

[thebus88]

Im glad we live in this universe

That we overhype/overvalue nearly every current prospect/asset in the organization until it’s no longer possible and attempt to degrade the value/ability of every player that moves on from the team??

I don’t think that deal was ever as “slam dunk” as most people attempt to pass off. Most of the “positive” CBJ fans can take away from it, is how negative it has been for Jones/the Blackhawks. I mean, what actual GOOD has come from moving Jones??

The CBJ COULD better off in the future with the young guys they got in return, but they might also NEVER be as good as they were with Jones, when they had him, or in a hypothetical future where they kept him and signed his brother.

Sillinger and Jiricek may never be more than 2nd line/pairing guys. Boqvist may be a 3rd pair/ PP specialist. Jones has just as much of a chance to win a Norris trophy moving forward that Werenski does.

 

[stevo61]

That we overhype/overvalue nearly every current prospect/asset in the organization until it’s no longer possible and attempt to degrade the value/ability of every player that moves on from the team??

I don’t think that deal was ever as “slam dunk” as most people attempt to pass off. Most of the “positive” CBJ fans can take away from it, is how negative it has been for Jones/the Blackhawks. I mean, what actual GOOD has come from moving Jones??

The CBJ COULD better off in the future with the young guys they got in return, but they might also NEVER be as good as they were with Jones, when they had him, or in a hypothetical future where they kept him and signed his brother.

Sillinger and Jiricek may never be more than 2nd line/pairing guys. Boqvist may be a 3rd pair/ PP specialist. Jones has just as much of a chance to win a Norris trophy moving forward that Werenski does.

And Jones wasnt resigning so... Jiricek+Sillinger+Boqvist+Bean > nothing.

I dont know why we are pretending that Jones didnt express that he wasnt willing to resign. I dont know what more you want in a trade when a player forces you to move him to 1 of 2 teams and you are about to enter a rebuild/retool/restart whatever terminology you want to use.

 

[Viqsi]

That we overhype/overvalue nearly every current prospect/asset in the organization until it’s no longer possible and attempt to degrade the value/ability of every player that moves on from the team??

I don’t think that deal was ever as “slam dunk” as most people attempt to pass off. Most of the “positive” CBJ fans can take away from it, is how negative it has been for Jones/the Blackhawks. I mean, what actual GOOD has come from moving Jones??

The CBJ COULD better off in the future with the young guys they got in return, but they might also NEVER be as good as they were with Jones, when they had him, or in a hypothetical future where they kept him and signed his brother.

Sillinger and Jiricek may never be more than 2nd line/pairing guys. Boqvist may be a 3rd pair/ PP specialist. Jones has just as much of a chance to win a Norris trophy moving forward that Werenski does.

I would also have preferred to keep Jones, but he'd made it abundantly clear that that was not going to be an option.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

 

[tunnelvision]

Good for the kid. Can't say he hasn't earned it with the camp he's had.

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

Lalonde being only 18 leaves a lot of room for future improvement, and he's played well in the games I've seen. I was surprised he wasn't drafted to be honest, I guess goalies still kinda slip between the cracks at drafts unless the consensus on them is excellent. (That's what we hope for Ivanov too.) I suppose Lalonde will be one of the call-up options for AHL (after Tarasov/Greaves).

 

[Doggy]

With defenseman who are as skilled with the puck as Mateychuk, at both passing and stickhandling, I don’t think what side of the ice they play in is as important as many around here think.

It’s safe to say Mateychuk can handle a puck (and probably make a pass) on his backhand better than a Peeke/Gavrikov can on their forehand.

Another thing that was interesting watching game highlights from the past year, is that he spends quite a bit of time in the slot (“bumper” term is stupid imo) on the powerplay. They seemed to run a ‘5 man cycle/rotation’ and he doesn’t just set up shop there for the entire PP, but, it’s seemingly a “go to” spot for him, from a team and individual standpoint.

Extremely excited for Mateychuk. And Kent Johnson.

In a HYPOTHETICAL ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, I’d trade Jiricek, Sillinger and Boqvist to get Jones back in a sec. Yes, Sillinger is good. Jiricek might also be 1 day.

Jones is also good.

The major sticking point with that alternate universe is the non-hypothetical salary cap. I believe most fans believed the CBJ could only afford Jones or Z but not both. I only think of that because you'd be sending out like $3 Million out and bringing in $9 Million. You would have to make more painful moves.

 

[Doggy]

Question: if a player who needs to clear waivers to be sent down is sent down and is subsequently claimed by another team, does the team claiming said player have to put them on the active NHL roster? IOW, a team can't claim a guy being sent down and then send him down themselves?

 

[majormajor]

Question: if a player who needs to clear waivers to be sent down is sent down and is subsequently claimed by another team, does the team claiming said player have to put them on the active NHL roster? IOW, a team can't claim a guy being sent down and then send him down themselves?

That's correct.

Sometimes it seems to work like a team borrowing a player for a while when they have injuries. When they can't keep him on their roster and waive him, the original team has first choice on whether to claim him, and often claims him back. Then I'm not sure if the original team has to waive him to send him down at that point.

 

[LetsGOJackets!!]

Everything was going so well.. totally nodding my head in agreement...

Extremely excited for Mateychuk. And Kent Johnson.

In a HYPOTHETICAL ALTERNATE UNIVERSE, I’d trade Jiricek, Sillinger and Boqvist to get Jones back in a sec. Yes, Sillinger is good. Jiricek might also be 1 day.

Jones is also good.

& then I read your hypo alternate universe.. and my imediate thought is WTF? Granted I know Jiricek & Sillinger are young, and Boqvist needs to improve.. what is he 22? but no I would not take back Jones and his 10M salary for these three guys.. and Jones is one of my favorite current players. I will take the futures over Jones, wonder what a poll of our board would look like

Two side notes that I would like opinions on:

Am I the only one that thinks Jones would have loved playing for Coach Larsen? I always thought Torts system was too buttoned up for Jones liking

and, I wonder what Seth's first response was when the CBJ signed Johnny... and then resigned Laine. After the Blackhawks have traded off Tuch and Debrincat and other pieces Jonesy has to be saying WTF.. maybe there is something to this alternative universe thing

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Seth Jones at 10M means either Werenski (and others), Laine (and others), or maybe even Gaudreau aren’t here.

He made his choice. He gets to lay in it. We wanted to keep him, and he didn’t want to stay. The fortunes of our franchise in the long term have improved immensely with his choice even if none of the players we got are as good as he was/is. Jones wouldn’t have changed life here last year and made us a playoff team. The right choice was made for us, and it’s all thanks to his desire to play in Chicago. How’s that working out for him.

For a team looking to win right now? Obviously you take jones. For us, a young team making steps in the right direction, I’ll take our package of young guns with potential.

 

[I3LI3]

okay so.. he hasn’t played in nearly 2 years. I know he’s no longer a part of the orginization but is his career over just like that? I remember when we drafted him I was leary.

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oh and here’s a blast from the past that I really thought would excel with us

 

[Viqsi]

okay so.. he hasn’t played in nearly 2 years. I know he’s no longer a part of the orginization but is his career over just like that? I remember when we drafted him I was leary.

Ryan Collins (b.1996) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

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Some Googling revealed that he has a LInkedIn page: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ryan-collins-011b3b127/
According to that, he's working as a law clerk now:

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Jarmo and his staff love big, immobile, defensive defensemen. He tried hard to find his own Erik Gudbranson with Carlsson, Collins, and Peeke, so rather than continue to swing for them he just got the real thing.

At least Peeke has worked out a little bit.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Here's who I have in terms of non-NHL/AHL players the CBJ have the rights to:

FORWARDS
Boyd
Del Bel Belluz
Dolzhenkov
Dumais
Fisher
Malatesta
Pyythia - ELC
Rysavy
Voronkov
Texier - mental health list
Thurkauf - unlikely to return to CBJ org

DEFENSEMEN
Ceulemans
Hjorth
Hreschuk
Johanesson
Makarov
Mateychuk - ELC
Richard
Svozil - ELC

GOALTENDERS
Ivanov
Lalonde - ELC

Clock ran out on signing Karlberg, Stucker, and Thome this offseason, IIRC.

 

[Xoggz22]

That we overhype/overvalue nearly every current prospect/asset in the organization until it’s no longer possible and attempt to degrade the value/ability of every player that moves on from the team??

I don’t think that deal was ever as “slam dunk” as most people attempt to pass off. Most of the “positive” CBJ fans can take away from it, is how negative it has been for Jones/the Blackhawks. I mean, what actual GOOD has come from moving Jones??

The CBJ COULD better off in the future with the young guys they got in return, but they might also NEVER be as good as they were with Jones, when they had him, or in a hypothetical future where they kept him and signed his brother.

Sillinger and Jiricek may never be more than 2nd line/pairing guys. Boqvist may be a 3rd pair/ PP specialist. Jones has just as much of a chance to win a Norris trophy moving forward that Werenski does.

Gotta disagree on this one. They are actually better now than they would be had they kept Jones. You have to add in the $10M AAV deal it would have required to keep him. Jones may still be the best player of that group but the group as a whole adds more to this team.

 

[Viqsi]

Here's who I have in terms of non-NHL/AHL players the CBJ have the rights to:

FORWARDS
Boyd
Del Bel Belluz
Dolzhenkov
Dumais
Fisher
Malatesta
Pyythia - ELC
Rysavy
Voronkov
Texier - mental health list
Thurkauf - unlikely to return to CBJ org

DEFENSEMEN
Ceulemans
Hjorth
Hreschuk
Johanesson
Makarov
Mateychuk - ELC
Richard
Svozil - ELC

GOALTENDERS
Ivanov
Lalonde - ELC

Clock ran out on signing Karlberg, Stucker, and Thome this offseason, IIRC.

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[Jackets Woodchuck]

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Thanks!

 

[Doggy]

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[Cowumbus]

 

[LJ7]

I'm eager to see how he does this season without his old linemates. If he replicates that sort of production we might be in luck. His play in TC was certainly encouraging

 

[Viqsi]

I know there was a forerunner to CapFriendly (forget the name of it now but they named the Traverse City tournament in his honor) but CapFriendly is awesome. Its amazing the information that is compiled for us into a coherent digestible format. Even the so called experts in the business refer back to CapFriendly for details.

You're thinking of Matthew Wuest (z''l) and Capgeek.

 

[Doggy]

You're thinking of Matthew Wuest (z''l) and Capgeek.

Thanks, I should remember that since Mr Wuest was my shop teacher in HS.

BTW, L'Shanah Tova and hope you have a meaningful holiday! -Doggy!