Perfect for Ceulemans but im sure a couple people will start worrying if he'll sign
Prospect Info: CBJ Prospect Thread XI
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Perfect for Ceulemans but im sure a couple people will start worrying if he'll sign
Im not worried in the slightest, im happy hes going back. Im just expecting some to worry, we literally have someone already mapping Gaudreau's future and scared he'll force a trade to Philly
Gotta be the most underrated group in the league to some. I see a bunch of ranking either here, youtubers and I believe even some "analysts" that have Columbus at 10 or lower. I expect those people to look silly pretty soon
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I'm assuming the board will do the annual prospect rankings. Usually takes up the month of August...then again, we haven't had a "normal" offseason schedule in several years.
I assume Chinakhov and Sillinger are no longer prospects, as they spent the majority of last season in the NHL.
-Top tier: Kent Johnson, David Jiricek, Kirill Marchenko, Daniil Tarasov (but injury fears are heightened)
-Next tier: Corson Ceulemans, Denton Mateychuk, Dmitri Voronkov
-Time is running out, but could still be solid contributors tier: Liam Foudy, Carson Meyer, Jacob Christiansen, Nick Blankenburg, Trey-Fix Wolasnky
-Next tier: Stanislav Svozil, Luca Del Bel Belluz, Kirill Dolzhenkov, Mikael Pyyhtia, Samuel Knazko, Ole Julian Bjorgvik Holm
That's as far as I've gotten so far, but I'm sure I'm missing a few.
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Doggy
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Doesn't it also depend on how you define "prospect"? He considers Silly a prospect...I don't.
If if you define it calder eligible and take Sillinger out which you for sure shod its still a top tier group. The biggest question with that group is can Johnson be a center or is he a winger. From a talent standpoint its top notch
My rankings 1) are actually tiers and 2) still have Chinkahov/Sillinger despite the amount of games they each played last year.
Tier 1:
- Kent Johnson
- Cole Sillinger
- David Jiricek
- Denton Mateychuk
These are guys with star/top line potential.
Johnson and Mateychuk have the two highest ceilings of anyone in the system IMO. Jiricek is pretty much a sure-thing top pair RHD and obviously Cole is a no-doubt top six center. I also think Cole's skill level is higher than what we've seen so far.
Tier 2:
- Chinakhov
- Ceulemans
- Marchenko
- Richard
- Tarasov
This tier is guys who probably don't become stars but likely play on the top half of a roster.
I'm probably way higher on Richard than most, but to me he profiles as a Gavrikov type who is a solid second pairing defenseman, and I think he has a very good chance of becoming that type of player, but Mateychuk jumps him based on having a higher ceiling.
I'm also really high on Chinakhov. He's got more speed and better hands than I thought, and the shot is high-end. He's got the tools – the hockey IQ and confidence will come around. He also was a pretty physical player at times in Russia, I think we'll see more of that.
Tier 3:
- Dumais
- Foudy
- Christiansen
- Blankenburg
- Del Bel Belluz
- Svozil
Dumais is the biggest boom-or-bust guy in the system. He's got a chance to be a star winger in the Gaudreau mold based on his skill and hockey IQ. But a lot has to go right for that to happen.
Del Bel Belluz is a really intriguing guy. Like Dumais, the skating needs work. I think he needs to use his shot more, too, and his skill/playmaking are good but not top-of-the-lineup good. Maybe tops out as a good 3C who can play power play time.
Not gonna give up on Foudy, I think his skating and athleticism makes him a potential impact guy, could be a bigger Matt Calvert. As for the three defensemen on the list here, Blanks was impressive last year and I like Svozil's game a lot, but I don't see high-end tools for either of them. But they're both smart enough players to make it. Christiansen's shot and IQ are impressive tools, but the skating might hold him back.
Tier 4:
- Voronkov
- Dolzhenkov
- Fisher
- Malatesta
- Hreschuk
- Ivanov
- Knazko
Everyone in this tier has an interesting tool or two, but limiting factors in their game. Still, I think most of these guys will eventually see NHL time, likely at the bottom/fringes of the lineup. Dolzhenkov has the potential to force his way up into a higher tier in the coming years.
I may catch some flack for having Voronkov this low, but I don't see significant upside here in terms of skill or skating. His compete level and nose for the net will get him to the NHL, but I see him as a Kuraly type with a bit more netfront presence and worse skating/defense.
Tier 5:
- everyone else
Apparently the front office is high on Makarov. I know Pyyhtia, Angle and TFW have some fans around here, but I don't know if any of those guys are future full-time NHL guys. I see them as good AHL players who maybe get a call-up here or there.
Tier 1:
- Kent Johnson
- Cole Sillinger
- David Jiricek
- Denton Mateychuk
These are guys with star/top line potential.
Johnson and Mateychuk have the two highest ceilings of anyone in the system IMO. Jiricek is pretty much a sure-thing top pair RHD and obviously Cole is a no-doubt top six center. I also think Cole's skill level is higher than what we've seen so far.
Tier 2:
- Chinakhov
- Ceulemans
- Marchenko
- Richard
- Tarasov
This tier is guys who probably don't become stars but likely play on the top half of a roster.
I'm probably way higher on Richard than most, but to me he profiles as a Gavrikov type who is a solid second pairing defenseman, and I think he has a very good chance of becoming that type of player, but Mateychuk jumps him based on having a higher ceiling.
I'm also really high on Chinakhov. He's got more speed and better hands than I thought, and the shot is high-end. He's got the tools – the hockey IQ and confidence will come around. He also was a pretty physical player at times in Russia, I think we'll see more of that.
Tier 3:
- Dumais
- Foudy
- Christiansen
- Blankenburg
- Del Bel Belluz
- Svozil
Dumais is the biggest boom-or-bust guy in the system. He's got a chance to be a star winger in the Gaudreau mold based on his skill and hockey IQ. But a lot has to go right for that to happen.
Del Bel Belluz is a really intriguing guy. Like Dumais, the skating needs work. I think he needs to use his shot more, too, and his skill/playmaking are good but not top-of-the-lineup good. Maybe tops out as a good 3C who can play power play time.
Not gonna give up on Foudy, I think his skating and athleticism makes him a potential impact guy, could be a bigger Matt Calvert. As for the three defensemen on the list here, Blanks was impressive last year and I like Svozil's game a lot, but I don't see high-end tools for either of them. But they're both smart enough players to make it. Christiansen's shot and IQ are impressive tools, but the skating might hold him back.
Tier 4:
- Voronkov
- Dolzhenkov
- Fisher
- Malatesta
- Hreschuk
- Ivanov
- Knazko
Everyone in this tier has an interesting tool or two, but limiting factors in their game. Still, I think most of these guys will eventually see NHL time, likely at the bottom/fringes of the lineup. Dolzhenkov has the potential to force his way up into a higher tier in the coming years.
I may catch some flack for having Voronkov this low, but I don't see significant upside here in terms of skill or skating. His compete level and nose for the net will get him to the NHL, but I see him as a Kuraly type with a bit more netfront presence and worse skating/defense.
Tier 5:
- everyone else
Apparently the front office is high on Makarov. I know Pyyhtia, Angle and TFW have some fans around here, but I don't know if any of those guys are future full-time NHL guys. I see them as good AHL players who maybe get a call-up here or there.
I'll save the full list for the dog days of summer but this is sort of how I see it:
Kent Johnson F
David Jiricek RD
Corson Ceulemans RD
Denton Mateychuk LD
Nick Blankenburg RD
Kirill Marchenko W
Daniel Tarasov G
Guillaume Richard LD
Stanislav Svozil LD
Dimitri Voronkov F
Liam Foudy F
Luca Del Bel Belluz F
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There are so many new guys that are easy to miss: Hreschuk, Luoto, Bjork, etc...
Haven't had a chance to read up on many of the new guys (or at least the non-draftees) or watch any film.
NGL, I totally forgot about Luoto and Bjork (and don't know much about either guy).
I liked Hreschuk a lot in his draft year, though.
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I guess I am more bullish on Marchenko. He still projects as a top six offensively skilled scoring winger.
That's where I project him, just more of a second line wing than first line wing. Good player but one of the easier player types to find.
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I’ve only seen him in the Traverse City games and the recent scrimmage, but I like Malatesta as a bottom 6/ 4th line prospect. He seems like he could be a Danforth with a very nasty streak. Certainly no a star but maybe a useful, low cost guy. Anxious to see how his path evolves.
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My top ten and some tiers:
1. Kent Johnson, F
2. David Jiricek, RD
3. Corson Ceulemans, RD
4. Denton Mateychuk, LD
5. Liam Foudy, F
6. Kirill Marchenko, W
7. Daniil Tarasov, G
8. Nick Blankenburg, RD
9. Dimitri Voronkov, F
10. Luca Del Bel Belluz, F
next tier has Svozil, Richard, Knazko, Dumais
1. Kent Johnson, F
2. David Jiricek, RD
3. Corson Ceulemans, RD
4. Denton Mateychuk, LD
5. Liam Foudy, F
6. Kirill Marchenko, W
7. Daniil Tarasov, G
8. Nick Blankenburg, RD
9. Dimitri Voronkov, F
10. Luca Del Bel Belluz, F
next tier has Svozil, Richard, Knazko, Dumais
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Xoggz22
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I'll just say our prospect pool is deep. And if we get another growth year out of guys like Pyyhtia, Malatesta, Hreschuk, Rysavy, Richard, Svozil, Knazko and Makarov (those middle round picks that appear to have promise) and see what we have in this year's picks like Dumais, Dolzhenkov and Ivanov... This group could be very very franchise changing. This clearly doesn't include our top 12 or so prospects. I mean, hell, add all the under 25 players on the roster and I'd challenge there aren't going to be many teams that boast a future and depth like the CBJ
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