Cowumbus
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I think ShaTtenkirk is/was a better defender. Honestly, he kinda reminds me of Jake Bean.
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Cowumbus
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I hope not.
"Shartenkirk"
is not a good defender. Do you recall Wennberg burning him in the playoffs?Ceulemans has one advantage over both Shattenkirk and Bean. He's got a big powerful frame. Bean is skinny and Shattenkirk is a bit squat and not as strong. Ceulemans is fast and strong and that helps him cover for little misreads. That's all the obvious stuff, I haven't watched him enough to speak on defensive awareness this year. He wasn't great at it a year ago.
Oh well there goes my excitement lol. Fortunately he turns 19 this year so there's plenty of time to fix those issues.
Svozil had an assist in 4-6 loss vs Red Deer.
EspenK
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Anyone think/worry that Marchenko (and other Russian players) may have trouble coming to the US in the fall if the war in Ukraine is still going on? Not a major consequence of the conflict but it crossed my mind.
Edit - Apparently Elliotte Friedman does. Read this thread before I saw his tweet posted on the TDL thread.
Edit - Apparently Elliotte Friedman does. Read this thread before I saw his tweet posted on the TDL thread.
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Yes. Western governments will press hard for this kind of stance from high profile organizations like sports leagues.
The Jones Zone
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If Marchenko isn't good enough to be on a current KHL Olympic team, I'm not too concerned regardless
may be closer to another Bemstrom than anything
Cowumbus
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I hope not.
"Shartenkirk"
Ceulemans has one advantage over both Shattenkirk and Bean. He's got a big powerful frame. Bean is skinny and Shattenkirk is a bit squat and not as strong. Ceulemans is fast and strong and that helps him cover for little misreads. That's all the obvious stuff, I haven't watched him enough to speak on defensive awareness this year. He wasn't great at it a year ago.
Shattenkirk (lol) was a better defenseman than people realize. The better defender was talking WRT Ceulemans.
You are correct that Ceulemans skating is much better than Shatty, Shatty has lead feet. Ceulemans skating abilities are similar to Girard/Makar, and people compare him to Makar stylistically. Obviously as a prospect though, Makar was a better offensively and defensively at this stage.
Cowumbus
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Marchenko was on the Olympic team, he got Covid before the tournament and could not play; was projected to be in their top6.
I will ignore the Bemstrom comment.
Doggy
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Ceulemans is one of my favorite prospects, and I know he needs to work on the defensive side of his game. But if YOU are unaware of it, here’s him getting walked by a Wild prospect
I do think he was dead tired and at the end of his shift to be fair.
Let's also give Meyers a lot of credit here...that was a heck of a move!
Cowumbus
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Yeah it was. He has been a Badger killer this year. Meyers is a perfect example of our prospects ‘playing against men’. 23 years old 200 pounds playing some of our 18/19 year olds in the NCAA.
Xoggz22
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What's your point? They are rookies and in the case of Chinkhov never on a NA rink.
If there is an issue it should apply to all of our Russian players that need U.S. work visas (including Gavrikov, Chinakhov, and Tarasov). Marchenko is intriguing but I'd be much more worried about not having Gavrikov.
I just watched Wisconsin last night and I don't really see the Makar comparison even just in terms of skating. Ceulemans is more of a power skater while Makar is like a waterbug.
Ceulemans' bigger frame suggests though that he could potentially be groomed to become a more all situations guy, maybe even a shutdown guy someday (many years down the road). He's got great feet just needs to read the play better, and I've seen worse defenders before that dramatically improved their reads.
Edit: I did see a chart you posted about Ceulemans very high deke rate (or something like that), though I haven't seen him do much of that in person. Maybe if I see him do it more I'll be more generous to that Makar comparison. For now though I don't see it at all. It seems qualitatively different. I watched Makar in person at UMass and what he was doing was jaw-dropping (literally) and this was before he became known as a scoring prodigy. He has that lateral fast-twitch ability that is totally unparalleled.
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Cowumbus
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My point is that maybe they should be developing in the AHL bc they are not ready yet, probably would play more too.
Xoggz22
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Not clear from your post but I have no issue with that opinion.
ColumbusTrill
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We don't want if they don't have American citizenship too. For examle Malkin has. Besides Gavrikov's daughter borned in Columbus. Correct me if I'm wrong but because she borned in U.S. one should have American citizenship.
Of course Chinakhov and Tarasov don't have but I wrote about Russian in NHL not only in CBJ.
Doggy
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I am not trying to make light of this but on the flip side of this discussion, I would think KHL players who are good enough to play elsewhere (NHL or Europe) have contacted their agents trying to find a landing spot where they aren't being paid with Monopoly money. I could see Marchenko and some of these other guys wanting out ASAP for financial reasons. I am sure Chinny is counting his blessings at this moment that he decided to make the jump to the NHL after last season.
Be sure finance aren't and won't be problem in Russia. They want out because ones want to play in NHL.
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Rubbie value is at an all time low and Russia is being cut out from the rest of the world marketplace. Can't speak for how things are in Russia rn, but there's not many signs of things getting better as more and more companies are cutting ties. Which I would imagine would tend to make younger kids with aspirations of making it to the NHL read the writing on the wall and want to come over sooner rather than later. A three year contract in the NHL seems like a safer bet for a secure paycheck over the course of the legnth of said contract
(Not trying to be political, just hard to have a full conversation without it)
The rest of the world? China, India, Brazil, Pakistan, Argentina... are not the world? Besides, Russia doesn't need SWIFT, banks can join China's CSIP, they'll use their own system in internal payments, and the West knows it well.
EDIT: We were wrong. According to economist Simon Piwko, Russia has not deliberately taken steps to save the ruble. As soon as it fell below a certain level, Russia bought shares in its companies from foreign firms, earning $20 billion.
(it was only answer, no more politic)
To hockey. Players like Marchenko want to play in NHL even if 1€ was 1 rubbie.
So I'm thinking that unless there's a total state collapse in the U.S., hostile aliens (UFO) arrive 
etc., they will come.
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Cowumbus
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“TPS's Mikael Pyyhti was the league's top scorer in February. The goal scorer of the month scored nine goals in 10 matches.”
Xoggz22
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He appears to be putting it together and only 20 as of December. 3rd in scoring on TPS. Needs strength and I believe I read he signed for one more year in Finland next year. We hold his rights until June 2024 so I could see him coming over after next year. Another mid-round gem potentially.
