Confirmed Trade: [CBJ/ARI] Jon Gillies for 2023 6th round pick and Jakub Voracek
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MrHeiskanen
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ECHL club back at it again... will await angry replies from Yotes fans who claim this isn't a joke of an organization.
Hobnobs
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Have you been to Arizona? I'd probably choose QC over Ari as well. If I were moving for warmer climate there is a myriad of better places in USA alone imo.
TMLeafer
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I'm curious what the discussion around this had been at GM/board meetings in the past.
No memos going out for this, I bet.
No memos going out for this, I bet.
Spring in Fialta
A malign star kept him
Only for the weather, though. I know not everyone puts a lot of stock in that but I'm an urban guy and Quebec City is so pretty. Spent my university years there.
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I'm not sure i'd call the Oakland Coliseum or whatever it's named a proper stadium. By all accounts, its a dump and one of the reasons why the Raiders bolted to Vegas. A's are always rumoured to be leaving the Bay area as well.At least Oakland plays in a proper stadium though.
Imagine they moved to some minor league park with a quarter of the seats.
Some of the minor league parks in baseball are nicer than what the A's currently reside in.
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It's kinda like Bettman keeps pushing the 'stability' and 'health' or the Arizona franchise cause he knows it's actually a tool for the other teams to dump their bad contracts, nothing more, and he doesn't mind it.
FerrisRox
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It frees up $8 million of space in the off-season. During the season, a player can be on LTIR but during the off-season and doesn't exist and you're only allowed a percentage of the cap in overages in the off-season. Having a ticket as big as Voracek's could be tricky.
This is why Montreal wanted to move Shea Weber's contract, because with Weber and Carey Price they had an enormous amount of space taken up in the off-season that made roster moves much more difficult.
kovacro
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Arizona is going to run out of water pretty soon. No way I'm going to live there.
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They were out in full force yesterday, one guy from Sweden and one guy with a Browns avatar. Huge fanbase.
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Depends how you define "better".
A roster's quality factors both the talent and the contracts. I'm pretty sure an expansion would result in either a more talented roster with crappy anchor contracts or something that's not significantly better than the Coyotes.
If I was a new owner, I'd rather have this franchise with its cap room and the draft picks. You relocate it to a quality market like Québec or Houston. You invest initially all your energy in the drafting and development. You stay alert on the free agent market because you have cap room, and there are always bargains to be had.
This league is designed for fast cycles. Any team can turn things around in 3 years with a bit of luck and good management. The problem with the Coyotes is not the current state of their roster. It's that they are transparently NOT trying to compete.
In ALL fairness, teams like Arizona are why most are able to compete with a salary cap. No one gets traded without going through Arizona. Someone’s gotta be the bumpster fire gong show year in and year out, might as well be the team the has the least amount of fans per capita
Only if player could earn frequent flyers miles based on paper trades alone
Only if player could earn frequent flyers miles based on paper trades alone
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I think anyone defending the existence of this abomination of a franchise fails to realize is that a lot of us really want the NHL to sort out better rules in regards to being able to trade LTIR contracts. It's a joke. Why is that even allowed? Guy won't ever play a game again, why in the heck can he be traded? For what reason other than that it's possible with the current rules?
Also, if my team does have a bad contract I am more than fine that we have to eat those consequences ourselves. Arizona, the way they are set up right now, is literally a get out of jail free card in another wise cap bound salary system. I get it, any team can do it as well, BUT, I want that loophole closed. For better or worse for my own team. Look at the OEL contract. I'd love to press delete on it, but we can't.
They don't have a single positive financial year in their entire existence. Enough is enough. People talk about the potential of that market, sure it has potential, too bad that it has never been fulfilled and by all accounts never will. It feels like that realization came 15 years ago and yet here we are..
Meanwhile there are a bunch of other markets that at least have a viable reason to be tried instead of this disaster train continuing. I have such an extremely hard time accepting illogical things in general in life and when I start to think about this, it makes me feel empty. I can't for the life of me understand it. I have had the discussion before and I have heard the other perspective, and I still don't get it. Not when you add context to it.
Potential is just potential. There is just as much potential, if not more, for the same exact reasons Arizona has potential (TV money, large population, large hispanic audience) in Houston. It's literally Arizona+. Only they might possibly create an NHL franchise there. NHL. Not AHL, bush league, college campus joke franchise.
Also, if my team does have a bad contract I am more than fine that we have to eat those consequences ourselves. Arizona, the way they are set up right now, is literally a get out of jail free card in another wise cap bound salary system. I get it, any team can do it as well, BUT, I want that loophole closed. For better or worse for my own team. Look at the OEL contract. I'd love to press delete on it, but we can't.
They don't have a single positive financial year in their entire existence. Enough is enough. People talk about the potential of that market, sure it has potential, too bad that it has never been fulfilled and by all accounts never will. It feels like that realization came 15 years ago and yet here we are..
Meanwhile there are a bunch of other markets that at least have a viable reason to be tried instead of this disaster train continuing. I have such an extremely hard time accepting illogical things in general in life and when I start to think about this, it makes me feel empty. I can't for the life of me understand it. I have had the discussion before and I have heard the other perspective, and I still don't get it. Not when you add context to it.
Potential is just potential. There is just as much potential, if not more, for the same exact reasons Arizona has potential (TV money, large population, large hispanic audience) in Houston. It's literally Arizona+. Only they might possibly create an NHL franchise there. NHL. Not AHL, bush league, college campus joke franchise.
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8.25m AAV paid by insurance. Money they don't have spend on their hockey team while still being technically legal.
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They don't have to put them on LTIR. Take a big contract insurance pays a lot of, then use the cap hits to reach the floor
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I'm not sure i'd call the Oakland Coliseum or whatever it's named a proper stadium. By all accounts, its a dump and one of the reasons why the Raiders bolted to Vegas. A's are always rumoured to be leaving the Bay area as well.
Some of the minor league parks in baseball are nicer than what the A's currently reside in.
Ok so by "proper" I suppose I meant "in line with the seating capacity of the rest of the league", and not much else. Clearly in terms of amenities and other features it's in a sorry state, but in terms of number of seats available it's at least viable.
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Gotta keep the expenditures low until the league officially announce the move to Houston. No surprise there.
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It's almost like there's a significant difference between circumventing the cap (which I do think Arizona is doing) for purposes of competitive advantage as compared to keeping your franchise solvent.
