Confirmed with Link: Carter Hart Officially Charged With One Count Of Sexual Assault (Per His Lawyers); Non-roster, salary cap info in OP

[dragonoffrost]

Ugh why am I getting Briere's Son throwing a wheelchair down steps vibes with where this discussion is headed?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Am I wrong in seeing that 5 NHL guys have asked for leave of absence...but also Alex F got one from Swiss team.

So 6

People keep lumping in Comtois but he hasn't asked for leave

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

*wellthereitis.gif*

Don’t they have video evidence of this incident? Or I am crazy for thinking I read that somewhere?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I for one am very confident and positive that we can move on without shifting the focus to the victim, as it is very possible to optimistically state that perhaps Hart can be absolved without also insinuating the victim or judicial system could be lying.

Would it be helpful to shift the conversation to the absolute dope who's bringing headphones to Wegmans so he can listen to Howard and Nicholas give unsatisfactory answers to everything while trying to find ripe apples?

Theoretically, of course.

 

[DancingPanther]

Would it be helpful to shift the conversation to the absolute dope who's bringing headphones to Wegmans so he can listen to Howard and Nicholas give unsatisfactory answers to everything while trying to find ripe apples?

Theoretically, of course.

What kind of apples?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

And I'm reminding you, who has a "rich" history of misogyny, that always assuming and insinuating that women are lying without evidence welcome or productive. You are making very specific comparisons. We were not allowing premature accusations against Hart. We will not allow the same towards the woman.

This is gonna be the end of it. I'll start cleaning going forward.

Oh please. Who's the bad guy here? The person reminding people not to always jump to conclusions, or the person who wants to delete any posts that don't 100% paint Hart as a criminal?

 

[Rich Nixon]

What kind of guy would want to take part in a train anyway? Seems weird to me

Not good family men out there gettin' this paper, I'll tell you that much.



(language warning, f***ing obviously)

 

[Sombastate]

As someone 1° away from multiple sexually assaulted women, I'm glad I can't see some of these posts. It's for my own good as a poster on this site.

I've been open about it in my music career, and none of you know me from Jesus, but the people questioning the length of time.

I was molested as a kid. No one knew about it until I was in my 20s. It was done by a family member of mine. Not a single person has ever doubted my story. And it's because no one wants to say "you're a liar" to a 6'4" 190 pound man. They only like saying this kinda shit to women.

Now, of course there are false allegations. But nothing about this would appear to be made up. Seems highly credible and it seems like multiple parties took their time in coming to this conclusion.

 

[Jettany]

The Flyers have put together the best goalie prospect pool since Blackhawks had Belfour/Hasek/Joseph.

You don't do that with Canada's best U25 goalie and your crease solved for the next decade. There's too much smoke here to not be fire.

Look, hart is my favorite player, only current jersey I have. And maybe I'm just expecting the worst so that if it happens it's easier to stomach. but this looks bad.

And signing the Belarus kid and one from this draft. Agreed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Oh please. Who's the bad guy here? The person reminding people not to always jump to conclusions, or the person who wants to delete any posts that don't 100% paint Hart as a criminal?

You've gone beyond reminding people to not jump to conclusions and are suggesting the victim is maybe the wrongdoer via your examples and without evidence. That's a problem!


Contrary to popular belief, I actually have a very light touch as a mod, by the way. I want to let discussion stand and flow. Let's let that be possible.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Don’t they have video evidence of this incident? Or I am crazy for thinking I read that somewhere?

So... details are hazy in my mind but if I remember correctly there was video evidence of some sex acts that had the male trying to get consent weirdly multiple times.

The next day the woman would go on to say that she wasn't ok with what happened and the player then proceeded to get pushy and telling her to fix it.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

Nice, now the crazies are showing up

 

[freakydallas13]

 

[Larry44]

Am I wrong in seeing that 5 NHL guys have asked for leave of absence...but also Alex F got one from Swiss team.

So 6

No, 5. Only 4 NHLers on leave. Dube, Hart and McLeod and Foote today. Formenton from Swiss league.

 

[Rich Nixon]

Nice, now the crazies are showing up

Equestrian enthusiasts, we call them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Light touch might have to turn into the NKVD touch, geez. The Beefshevik Revolution of Glorious Positivity will survive at all costs.

For those who don't get this, things have been deleted. For those who desire to post deleteable things, could you perhaps not?

 

[Fight4yourRight]

So, dunce hat time. Should this go to court under criminal charges, and the players are found not guilty, does that mean Hockey Canada can sue for that 3.5mil back? Or was it a case that they were charged on the handling of the incident?

Sorry, I have no idea how US/Canadian law works.

Civil cases are decided on a balance of probabilities whereas criminal one’s are beyond a reasonable doubt. Different onus/threshold. In other words, just because someone is found innocent in a criminal case, does not mean they’d have shared the same fate in a civil one.

 

[freakydallas13]

You've gone beyond reminding people to not jump to conclusions and are suggesting the victim is maybe the wrongdoer via your examples and without evidence. That's a problem!


Contrary to popular belief, I actually have a very light touch as a mod, by the way. I want to let discussion stand and flow. Let's let that be possible.

Only people accused of sexual assault get the benefit of "innocent until proven guilty". The victim? She is definitely making it up, she's guilty until proven innocent.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

It's just locker room talk guys.

 

[Beef Invictus]

If you squint then I think this is going very well. Look at us go.

 

[Larry44]

As someone 1° away from multiple sexually assaulted women, I'm glad I can't see some of these posts. It's for my own good as a poster on this site.

No kidding. Several of my friends in the same situation. The trauma these assaults do never goes away. Just stop it, guys.

 

[Fire Tortorella]

Civil cases are decided on a balance of probabilities whereas criminal one’s are beyond a reasonable doubt. Different onus/threshold. In other words, just because someone is found innocent in a criminal case, does not mean they’d have shared the same fate in a civil one.

It was mentioned before, but a person is generally found "not guilty", not "innocent".

 

[FlyerNutter]

What kind of guy would want to take part in a train anyway? Seems weird to me

Right?

I think most of us have been in sports in some capacity.

Never did think ohhh I’d like to see my buddy doing that chick while I cheer him on.

 

[AndHeMissedTheNet]

hmm? what? no. this team isn't cursed at all. no way. how could anyone ever think that?

 

[Larry44]

People keep lumping in Comtois but he hasn't asked for leave

The police said 5. I'll take THEM at their word for it.