Carolina, 2nd in the Metro, just downgraded at the deadline
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There’s a lot of underrating of stankoven in this thread.
I don’t necessarily consider Carolina a top tier contender this year over Florida/tampa but Stank and 2 1sts is a pretty good haul.
I also dont think necas gets you stankoven+2 1st+more, so its still great value. Rantanen hasnt exactly been lights out as a cane, its very possible stankoven has similar or better prodution as rantanens canes tenure (ik .5ppg isnt the expectation for rantanen)
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They didn't turn iron into gold but they did the best they could under the circumstances.
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I think they just couldn't sign Necas or Rantanen and that's how they ended up where they are. Canes are the type of organization that runs not only thinking about this year.
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They took a swing that didn't work out. Which is a bit of a shame because they have needed another top line producer for years and Rantanen could have been that for them. Would still prefer my GM not be afraid to make a bold move to try to get the team over the hump, and considering how it could have ended up I'd say they came out of it ok.
Rod's man to man and forechecking systems are very demanding on players. Rantanen really has never had great footspeed or much of a defensive motor at all so in retrospect that fit was suspect to begin with. Stankoven should be a good piece for the future and they now have two more 1sts to add in the offseason or next deadline.
Just don't see this is as the total disaster the melodramatic are painting it as.
Rod's man to man and forechecking systems are very demanding on players. Rantanen really has never had great footspeed or much of a defensive motor at all so in retrospect that fit was suspect to begin with. Stankoven should be a good piece for the future and they now have two more 1sts to add in the offseason or next deadline.
Just don't see this is as the total disaster the melodramatic are painting it as.
It's sometimes fascinating how one thing can balloon into a big thing. For example not signing Guentzel became a bigger mistake later on with the Rantanen trade, just like Colorado let Kadri go to Calgary, then trying to plug the hole with RyJo, then dumping him out costing picks. After that trading Byram for Mittelstadt who again fails and is basically dumped for Coyle.. then in the end we spend rest of our assets to buy a rental Nelson.
Imagine if you just kept Kadri or Guentzel? How many picks and prospect/players saved? Insane how sometimes these things balloon up and it will become a forever mistake(at least in our case). Next summer we have to find Nelson replacement and the same circle continues.
But hopefully Carolina can turn this sooner than the Avalanche because these things can go horribly wrong. Carolina can fix things in summer.
Imagine if you just kept Kadri or Guentzel? How many picks and prospect/players saved? Insane how sometimes these things balloon up and it will become a forever mistake(at least in our case). Next summer we have to find Nelson replacement and the same circle continues.
But hopefully Carolina can turn this sooner than the Avalanche because these things can go horribly wrong. Carolina can fix things in summer.
The assets Were available when 2:45? I didn't see the trade completion on the NHL end until after my break at 2:15-2:30 that's like no time
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Imagine they win the Cup and everyone else for the next three years decides they need to downgrade going into the playoffs?
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One major difference between Colorado's moves and Carolina's moves is that Carolina is gaining draft and youth capital, on net, per transaction. They have yet to trade first round picks for rentals, just as an example. They didn't even do so for Guentzel.
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They took a risk but they got Stankoven and 2 1st for Necas essentially, a player who was most likely going to walk anyway, I would have like if they had flipped those picks but knowing the hurricanes they are amazing at drafting and developing, also its obvious their ownership doesn't care too much about winning the cup but rather they just want a team who consistently makes the playoffs for the revenue.
If you look at Carolina's moves over the part several years, it's like they always take one step forward, two steps back. Never really go all in, but just dip their toes, pull out, dip their toes, etc...
They paid non rental price for Rantanen, without actually knowing that they could re sign him. They got good value for him, but not what a contending team should get, but then again, nobody was going to pay similar assets to what they gave up for him.
Just seems as if they are so cautious that they can never do what it takes to get over the finish line.
They paid non rental price for Rantanen, without actually knowing that they could re sign him. They got good value for him, but not what a contending team should get, but then again, nobody was going to pay similar assets to what they gave up for him.
Just seems as if they are so cautious that they can never do what it takes to get over the finish line.
We are further in the cycle. That's why we traded for Nelson now. If Mitts was the solution we never trade for Nelson.
Let's see what happens to your first round draft picks.
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... Obviously not just 1 pick, but one of the first rounders they got for Rantanen as a base. Didn't think that would be taken so literally.
They got 4 draft picks in return. There were assets to deal.
But yes, sometimes there just isn't a deal out there even if you want to make one.
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Yeah. They ultimately converted Necas + 2nd + 4th into Stankoven + Hall + 1st + 1st +3rd + 3rd.
In a vaccum, they did pretty well on value.
I would have tried to then convert those picks into roster upgrades at the deadline, but we'll see how they use them in the offseason.
CAR is in the relatively easiest bracket. So it might still work out.
With the way Rantanen played as a hurricane, Stankoven is absolutely an upgrade.
I think it was just too late at that point and most of the players that made sense were gone. Kinda just see what they can do for the rest of the year and really try to upgrade at the draft. Picks are worth the least at the deadline and the most at the draft anyway
That's a key consideration that teams should exploit more - and not surprising Tulsky recognizes this.
There is a yearly arbitrage - NHL draft pick currency has the least buying power at the deadline (look at these deadline trade prices), and the most at the draft. You can maximize your buying power by selling at the deadline for picks, and using the picks to buy roster players at the draft.
They ended up losing value. But stankoven is a good player they should be excited about. Couple of firsts. There’s some tbd in Carolina’s situation.
tarheelhockey
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They literally did learn from Guentzel which is why this thread exists.
To be fair, Canes management is to blame to have put themselves in this situation in the first place.
Should have traded him faster.
Now they are weaker and their foes in the East almost all got stronger.
