Carolina, 2nd in the Metro, just downgraded at the deadline

[qc14]

They literally did learn from Guentzel which is why this thread exists.

If they had learned from Guentzel they would've given Rantanen $14M

 

[Oilslick941611]

I was literally listing off the things that needed to happen before the league would deem the trade closed per the CBA and league policy. It's not interference when it's part of the stated process.

No, you literally said an extension "which needed to happen in order for the league to close the trade" Which suggests an extension was needed before the league would accept the trade, which isn't true, it was needed for Dallas to complete the trade. Its not semantics. Its suggesting the league required an extention as part of the trade to close, its not a listing of things that needed to happen. Its not part of the stated process, the extension was a demand from Dallas, not the league, nor is the extension part of the league process.

Your language was corrected because you make it sound like the league was the demanding an extension. Don't double down on it.

 

[qc14]

There's a lot of overly pessimistic comments in this thread. Necas was a great player, but he wasn't a superstar. Rantanen did not work out, but the Canes still got a bunch of picks and Stankoven who has the potential to become a player as good as Necas at least.

It could have played out better for Carolina, but the end results are not as bad as people are making it out to be.

Potential doesn't win you cups

 

[Nikishin al Gaib]

No, you literally said an extension "which needed to happen in order for the league to close the trade" Which suggests an extension was needed before the league would accept the trade, which isn't true, it was needed for Dallas to complete the trade. Its not semantics. Its suggesting the league required an extention as part of the trade to close, its not a listing of things that needed to happen. Its not part of the stated process, the extension was a demand from Dallas, not the league, nor is the extension part of the league process.

Your language was corrected because you make it sound like the league was the demanding an extension. Don't double down on it.

Dallas, the league, who gives a flying f***.

You're implying things I never said. You're not as smart as you think you are

 

[Oilslick941611]

Dallas, the league, who gives a flying f***.

You're implying things I never said. You're not as smart as you think you are

Im implying everything you said. You said the league, not Dallas, words matter.

Those were your words, not mine. You said the league needed an extentsion to close the trade. Which is obviosuly false. Just take your correction and move on. Stop doubling down on being wrong.

 

[Louskoolaid89]

What did you expect? Acquiring Rantanen was a bold move to get ahead of the deadline, but the player himself became a problem. They rolled the dice and didn’t get the result they were looking for.

Instead of sitting on him as a rental, they moved on quickly. It was the only move.

Yeah bigger mistake was getting Rantanen in the 1st place. Yesterday was damage control and cutting their losses the best they could.

 

[Mobiandi]

Long overdue to clean house in Carolina. Tulsky and Rod have the team sinking like a rock when they should have taken over the East by now

They should have pulled Rantanen out of the line-up a week ago to ask him where he wants to go. Letting this drag until an hour before the deadline is completely management’s fault. Who is running the team here?

 

[tarheelhockey]

They didn't though. In terms of winning a cup this year they are clearly in a worse position with Stankoven and Hall than with Necas and Drury. They were in the best position with Rantanen.

If their goal isn't to win cups, then I don't really know what to tell you except I'm sorry that sucks for fans.

Anyone who thought the Canes were winning the Cup this year hasn’t watched them since Thanksgiving.

Anyone who thought Rantanen was going to change that, hasn’t watched him since the trade.

It’s not just that he drastically underperformed. He openly sulked and made it clear that he had no intention of being a Hurricane. That wasn’t going to get better. He wasn’t going to suddenly put the team on his back during the playoffs, that would have required him to show a level of engagement that he just didn’t have.

I’m not even all that sold on Stankoven, more like cautiously optimistic. But there’s no question that we’re in a better position with him than with Rantanen. If nothing else it’s addition by subtraction, getting rid of a toxic personality who had become a daily distraction.

No, it doesn’t put the Canes in Cup contention for this year, but that was never the case anyway. Necas didn’t make them a Cup contender and either did Rantanen. Canes fans already had these conversations back in the summer and understood that this year was a write-off as they retool their cap structure for the upcoming seasons. Their 6-week hot streak to start the season unexpectedly locked them into a playoff position, so from that point forward they have been playing with house money.

 

[Michoulicious]

That was the plan but mikko the diva took too long to sign Dallas contact tying up the cap needed for a move that was apparently on the table.

So they dropped the ball.

This is 100% on management, they put themselves in that situation. Blaming it on Rantanen taking too long to sign the most important deal of his life is ridiculous.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

I have no idea what happened with Necas, and why they seemed eager to trade him

They seem to make every trade / contract signing by consulting a mathematical formula and seeing if they come out ahead in terms of expected long term value. It's how a hedge fund operates not a hockey team traditionally, where "assets" are a lot less liquid, and you have to build with what you have, understanding windows and context.

IDK it's interesting to watch as an outsider, and maybe they leverage their cap flexibility and land EP40 this draft or a top 6 center using their trade chips, but the most likely scenario is they trade that 1st for two 2nds and use those draft picks, and just continue to add b level prospects hoping to get lucky and get an Aho or Nikishin.

 

[qc14]

Anyone who thought the Canes were winning the Cup this year hasn’t watched them since Thanksgiving.

Anyone who thought Rantanen was going to change that, hasn’t watched him since the trade.

It’s not just that he drastically underperformed. He openly sulked and made it clear that he had no intention of being a Hurricane. That wasn’t going to get better. He wasn’t going to suddenly put the team on his back during the playoffs, that would have required him to show a level of engagement that he just didn’t have.

I’m not even all that sold on Stankoven, more like cautiously optimistic. But there’s no question that we’re in a better position with him than with Rantanen. If nothing else it’s addition by subtraction, getting rid of a toxic personality who had become a daily distraction.

No, it doesn’t put the Canes in Cup contention for this year, but that was never the case anyway. Necas didn’t make them a Cup contender and either did Rantanen. Canes fans already had these conversations back in the summer and understood that this year was a write-off as they retool their cap structure for the upcoming seasons. Their 6-week hot streak to start the season unexpectedly locked them into a playoff position, so from that point forward they have been playing with house money.

Once again back to my original point -- loser mindset from an unserious organization. The team has been what, top 5 in wins over the last 5 years? Unacceptable to just "take a year off"

 

[tarheelhockey]

Long overdue to clean house in Carolina. Tulsky and Rod have the team sinking like a rock when they should have taken over the East by now

They should have pulled Rantanen out of the line-up a week ago to ask him where he wants to go. Letting this drag until an hour before the deadline is completely management’s fault. Who is running the team here?

There have been consistent reports for like 3 weeks that they were exploring a flip trade. Reading between the lines, and given how rare this scenario is, one can assume this means they have been working on this almost since Rantanen got off the plane in Raleigh.

But the flip trade required an extension. That required Rantanen to agree to a deal. It is very clear that the source of the delay was Rantanen, particularly in the last 24 hours when the process came to a total stop so he could flex his leverage.

 

[Fatass]

Imo the Canes have been going backwards since the off season. They were a much better club this time last season than they are now.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I have no idea what happened with Necas, and why they seemed eager to trade him

Ultimately it came down to Necas never really buying in to the team concept, while wanting to be paid like a guy who would carry them to success. It has echoes of when they got rid of Jeff Skinner years ago, with similar acrimony at the end.

I think when it’s Necas’ turn for a new contract, it’ll be more clear why the Canes moved him with some term remaining so they could take a swing at a Rantanen level player instead.

Once again back to my original point -- loser mindset from an unserious organization. The team has been what, top 5 in wins over the last 5 years? Unacceptable to just "take a year off"

In that case, I feel sorry that you’re so busy being a hater that you don’t have time to understand the details of what’s going on. Perhaps a different hobby would be better for your mental health?

 

[Rebels57]

Tulsky has been open that Rantanen’s camp dragged out negotiations with the Stars until the last hour, which eliminated any possibility of flipping the 1sts for a meaningful player.

Well that's shitty.

 

[Discipline Daddy]

Imo the Canes have been going backwards since the off season. They were a much better club this time last season than they are now.

It's called the salary cap. Last year, here were our UFAs, almost all on crazy cheap contracts:

Jake Guentzel
Brady Skjei
Brett Pesce
Jalen Chatfield
Teuvo Teravainen
Stefan Noesen
Jordan Martinook
And Martin Necas as an RFA with two years of team control
And Seth Jarvis coming off his ELC

That's a nightmare cap scenario for any team. All of these players got raises except Teuvo Teravainen (who got the same AAV), some of them quadrupled their salary.

Our borg prioritized long term flexibility and avoiding contracts into the late 30s. We signed the two most Rod-like players in Martinook and Chatfield who play their hearts out. We prioritized going full term with Jarvis and Slavin extending. And we filled in holes with good pro scouting and some one year cheap adds of Eric Robinson and Jack Roslovic.

The down side was our roster this year is worse in every aspect. The upside is we now have miles of capspace and we have pretty much our whole core locked in.

 

[Commander Clueless]

They took a risk with Rantanen and it failed. You never know when it comes to the playoffs and who gets hot, etc. but this seems to be a mulligan year. So much turnover since a year ago.

On the bright side, they have a good core and now tons of ammunition to beef up next season.

 

[Edgelord]

Don't be sad Canes fans, this lil fella is too cute lol

 

[Bobcat110]

Jackets over Canes in first round

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Jackets over Canes in first round

Yeah right lol

 

[Bobcat110]

Yeah right lol

In six

 

[bov]

Necas seemed destined to leave the Canes within a year or two anyways. The optics aren't great between Necas/Guentzel/Rantanen not staying there for the long haul, but Carolina might be way better off for this trade.

They essentially traded Necas for Stankoven, 2 1sts, 2 3rds, and a month+ of Rantanen. That's actually great value and gives Carolina some extra space and premium assets to work with moving forward. I'm not sure about this season, but they should be right back in the mix of top tier teams soon if they play their cards right.

 

[wetcoast]

What did you expect? Acquiring Rantanen was a bold move to get ahead of the deadline, but the player himself became a problem. They rolled the dice and didn’t get the result they were looking for.

Instead of sitting on him as a rental, they moved on quickly. It was the only move.

Agreed but the situation in Carolina is puzzling much like the trajectory of one of their players, Andrei Svechnikov who looked like a future star, he and the team have just disappointed.

The only saving grace this season is that they will probably play the lifeless Devils in the first round.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

Well that's shitty.

Also foreseeable, 8 years of his life and millions of dollars are in the balance.

 

[wetcoast]

Necas seemed destined to leave the Canes within a year or two anyways. The optics aren't great between Necas/Guentzel/Rantanen not staying there for the long haul, but Carolina might be way better off for this trade.

They essentially traded Necas for Stankoven, 2 1sts, 2 3rds, and a month+ of Rantanen. That's actually great value and gives Carolina some extra space and premium assets to work with moving forward. I'm not sure about this season, but they should be right back in the mix of top tier teams soon if they play their cards right.

Well they did also trade Drury and a 2nd and 4th.

I'm not dialed in on the canes but I'm assuming Morrow and Nikishin will slide in for burns and Orlov but what other changes are expected in the offseason?

Nadeau looks to be a fine player down the road but is he ready?