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Oh, and in addition to one of the announcers repeatedly saying that it wasn't a high sticking on Florida against Ghost at the end of the 3rd, here's another doozy from last night, but one that I didn't see mentioned (I didn't read this whole topic though).

One of the announcers (I think Keith Jones) said after Florida's failed 5 on 3, that "it was a huge lost opportunity by Carolina." Wrong team genius; Florida had the 5 on 3. Folks in the national media are so biased against the Canes, that they have a knee jerk reaction to hating them even if they did nothing wrong.

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Yes, and the refs oof. I don't like to be 'one of those.' I want to win or lose on our own merits but the calls and non-calls this series have been suspect to say the least.

If we can see high sticking from our TV screens, you should be able to see a high stick even in live action when 2 feet away if doing job right. Pathetic. Makes NHL look like a joke to any potential new fans. Refs should be forced to agree to be subject investigation once a year.

Do you know how much money you can make on sports betting? Well im sure you do. These 'zebras' should be watched as if they were prisoners only in a more civil manner.
 

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Yes, and the refs oof. I don't like to be 'one of those.' I want to win or lose on our own merits but the calls and non-calls this series have been suspect to say the least.

If we can see high sticking from our TV screens, you should be able to see a high stick even in live action when 2 feet away if doing job right. Pathetic. Makes NHL look like a joke to any potential new fans. Refs should be forced to agree to be subject investigation once a year.

Do you know how much money you can make on sports betting? Well im sure you do. These 'zebras' should be watched as if they were prisoners only in a more civil manner.
Speaking of that highsticking against Ghost, it seems so ridiculous that they can't review high sticking when there isn't any injury because that's something with a high rate of injury for players.

The NHL needs to have more reviews for different stuff. Delay of game is another thing that should be reviewable but it's not iirc.
 

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Bob or not, we have glaring issues getting pucks in net. It’s been an albatross of a hex spanning multiple seasons - even with Svech - and facing a real goalie is only exacerbating the problem. We’re a living meme for the number of SOGs vs actual goals. While we can tip our hat to Bob all we want(and we should) there is more blame on our side. It was a good run this year but it’s pretty much curtains now. I feel worse for Freddie. All those years with Anaheim losing the way they did in their playoff series, this one has to be the worst of his career because he played like a pure champion.
You know, it's funny how the same kind of offense (pump a shitload of pucks at the net to swing fancy stats without actually putting many in the net) is being used as a reason why there is no reason to worry now when it was widely viewed as a running gag under Bill Peters.
 

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Speaking of that highsticking against Ghost, it seems so ridiculous that they can't review high sticking when there isn't any injury because that's something with a high rate of injury for players.

The NHL needs to have more reviews for different stuff. Delay of game is another thing that should be reviewable but it's not iirc.
Given the large number of missed high sticks this year in the playoffs I wonder if the GMs take a look at the option of a 30 second review for a high stick. Shouldn’t take any longer than that and could be quicker.

DoG could be another option but even on replay it’s not always obvious if it hits something or not.
 
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You know, it's funny how the same kind of offense (pump a shitload of pucks at the net to swing fancy stats without actually putting many in the net) is being used as a reason why there is no reason to worry now when it was widely viewed as a running gag under Bill Peters.

5 straight playoff appearances, 3 straight 110+ pt pace regular seasons, 3 straight division titles, 2 conference finals appearances, etc etc etc., probably indicate that one thing or another has changed since the Peters era.
 

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10 to 4, considering the way this game was played tonight, that just f***ing says it all right there. Ref was looking right f***ing at the non-call high stick Ghost took, like 5 feet in front of them with the f***ing puck.
See … I saw the ref look up the ice as the puck went that way. Completely get how he didn’t see it.
 

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Back to the Peters comment thing, look at our shot heat map under Rod. You see increased shots from the LD and RD closer to the blue line, and you see a huge concentration of shots in the slot, right in front of the net. Without looking at the stats, I'd bet we take more shots in the slot than any other team in the league. Under Rod's system we have both more quantity and more quality chances than the other team, by a larger margin than perhaps all the other 31 teams.

We have way less rush chances than the other teams, and our power play is more "middle of the pack" than elite, especially given where we are in the standings.
 

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Back to the Peters comment thing, look at our shot heat map under Rod. You see increased shots from the LD and RD closer to the blue line, and you see a huge concentration of shots in the slot, right in front of the net. Without looking at the stats, I'd bet we take more shots in the slot than any other team in the league. Under Rod's system we have both more quantity and more quality chances than the other team, by a larger margin than perhaps all the other 31 teams.

I think this is where the analytical approach creates an intersection of personnel and coaching. The Borg have done a frankly incredible job of finding defensemen who can thread a shot through traffic, and Rod’s system has them in position to take those shots regularly.

It's one benefit of spending so much time ringing the puck around the walls in the offensive zone; as long as we can get a stick on it and keep it moving back and forth, eventually we win a footrace and are in a position to immediately threaten the low slot and take those high-danger shots. That exerts a gravitational pull on the defense, which opens up space for the D, and here comes a shot by Hamilton or Gardiner or Deangelo or Burns or Skeji or Gostisbehere. Even if the goalie makes the save, the rebound is going to be problematic for a defense that's getting pulled high-low. Against a weaker team, we can really get opponents chasing their tails trying to close gaps faster than we can ring pucks around the boards.

As long as we continue to find forwards who win puck battles and D with dangerous shots, that system is sustainable. It's a brilliant marriage of the different aspects of Hockey Ops.

IMO it's also why our power play struggles so much. When we enter the zone and set up, the penalty killers stop chasing. They're willing to surrender possession along the walls, and focus on denying passing lanes and shooting lanes. Not only do the chances in the slot dry up, and not only do the point shots get blocked, but the frantic perimeter activity slows to a crawl.

We've all watched it a thousand times -- the winger takes the puck about halfway down the wall, and diddles around with it to try and draw out the defender. Failing that, he passes up to the point where the D can't find a lane, so he swings to the other D, who passes it back down the halfwall. Over to the bumper in the middle, who has a guy right on his ass immediately, so he nudges it back to the D. Finally a shot that ends up 2 feet wide because there's no lane down the middle, and the other team wings it around the boards and out. The difference-maker is the lack of defensive pursuit.

In the long run, that's what might be our comeuppance in the end. Florida is now playing a lot like we do, and so is Jersey. GMs and coaches are seeing this, and more copycats will be coming soon. If half the teams in the league are playing this way, it makes sense for teams to move toward a more passive, PK-like defensive posture as a default. That would work against us, and favor teams who can exploit 1-on-1 perimeter matchups (which we don't have the horses for).
 

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