Value of: Carey Price 50% retained to your team

[ole ole]

The thing is, you have to make it to the playoffs first and Prices in season numbers, have been no better than Koskinen's, over the last 4 years.

Read what i wrote ,Playoff contender?

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

Nothing because in the real world the Habs are not retaining 50% of Price contract for the next 5 seasons. Isn't happening.

Well, in the real world enjoy a $10.5 M cap hit through 2025-26. Fun rebuild.

 

[ole ole]

Well, in the real world enjoy a $10.5 M cap hit through 2025-26. Fun rebuild.

We will.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Well, in the real world enjoy a $10.5 M cap hit through 2025-26. Fun rebuild.

We have no trouble enjoying Price.

 

[tucker3434]

If my team was a true cup contender and in need of a goalie i would be extremely happy if i could sign a ufa Price for 6 mil a season for 4 seasons.
Imagine having a legit shot at a cup for the next 4 seasons for a lousy 6 mil a season.

Extremely happy? No. I would be cautiously excited due to his recent play, but also fully aware that the contract would be negative value before he retired, possibly as soon as right now. It’d be a run-of-the-mill overpay for an aging vet where you’re hoping the short term success is worth the long term headache.

 

[Seras]

Hasn't played yet this season, working though issues that could very well worsen should he leave his home and he has 4 more years till he's 38.

Massive gamble that you would also have to spend assets on...

 

[samsagat]

Since 2014 playoffs Price has solid numbers in the playoff.

Since the 2017-2018 season, his regular season numbers are not so great.

His contract makes him almost untradable.

But we've seen players we thought were untradable being traded in the past.

Nothing's impossible.

With 4 years remaining on the contract I don't think there'll be a significant retention.

But bad contract(s) coming the other way around could be a possibility.

We'll see what happens.

 

[josra33]

What's your best offer?

Why do we do this? Habs fans get super offended and think their goalie is worth his cap hit. Everyone else literally disagrees. Insane dumb offers fly in return. Everyone gets upset and nothing gets done. Just stop.

 

[McSuper]

If he's healed and 50% retained?? I don't see how the oilers don't do this.. we are paying koskinen 4.5 million... another 750k isn't that big of deal lol

It is when you factor in Nurses 4 million dollar raise

 

[McSuper]

last 5 reg seasons
16/17 2.23/.923
17/18 3.11/.900
18/19 2.49/.918
19/20 2.79/.909
20/21 2.64/.901
so no, as a UFA no one would be giving him a 4yr/6m deal at 34 yrs old, even if he was on the ice

Koskinen numbers

EDM	55	51	25	21	0	6	1,551	146	2.93	1,405	.906	4	2,991:51
2019-2020	EDM	38	34	18	13	0	3	1,175	97	2.75	1,078	.917	1	2,116:31
2020-2021	EDM	26	25	13	13	0	0	756	76	3.17	680	.899	0	1,437:39
2021-2022	EDM	18	17	12	6	0	0	553	54	3.16	499	.902	0	1,024:33

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Pretty damn close .

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Koskinen numbers

EDM	55	51	25	21	0	6	1,551	146	2.93	1,405	.906	4	2,991:51
2019-2020	EDM	38	34	18	13	0	3	1,175	97	2.75	1,078	.917	1	2,116:31
2020-2021	EDM	26	25	13	13	0	0	756	76	3.17	680	.899	0	1,437:39
2021-2022	EDM	18	17	12	6	0	0	553	54	3.16	499	.902	0	1,024:33

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Pretty damn close .

yup.. shame.. he looked like a prospect that would turn into a good one...

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

Why do we do this? Habs fans get super offended and think their goalie is worth his cap hit. Everyone else literally disagrees. Insane dumb offers fly in return. Everyone gets upset and nothing gets done. Just stop.

I think someone should start another thread about it.. that'll help

 

[TradeAllStromes]

What team would he be an upgrade in that are looking to "compete".
Devils. Sharks? Oilers. all I see on a fast look. None would ever take on more than 7m for him. Maybe some offseason devils move if they think competing opens next year

 

[ole ole]

Why do we do this? Habs fans get super offended and think their goalie is worth his cap hit. Everyone else literally disagrees. Insane dumb offers fly in return. Everyone gets upset and nothing gets done. Just stop.

I think your reading the wrong thread.
Habs are not saying he's worth his total cap hit. Stop making up BS.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

We will.

Yeah, 13% of your cap on a guy who is nowhere near top 10 in the NHL Good for making floor and lottery wins.

 

[jay from jersey]

He’ll most likely be stuck in MTL for another 2-3 years after this season and bought out like Lundqvist in NY.
Even with retention, no one wants a 38 year old for multiple years with a boat anchor of a cap hit.
I think the rangers have learned their lesson about paying goalies more then 5-6 mill at most of the term is long.
It’s going to be interesting to see how they handle shesty a next deal. While he’s certainly played elite enough to fill hanks shoes, he has been injured at least every year. 2 of the years it’s been the same knee with no contact whatsoever.
I suspect Gorton coming from NYR and the habs fans dealing with the tail end of prices deal have learned this as well from now on.

 

[franste Perreault]

NHL players don't go to olympic with that I am not sure that Price will play this year. If he got trade it will be at the draft or this summer.
Everyone knows Price Value will drop a lot if he not play this year.

 

[BlueBaron]

Yeah, 13% of your cap on a guy who is nowhere near top 10 in the NHL Good for making floor and lottery wins.

While you are generally right value is something that requires context which is often lost on HF. Last playoffs he was the best goalie in the world and well worth every penny.

His value is relative and a bit unknown at this point. Of course he's not useful to an expansion team but to a team a goalie away there aren't many better proven talents. One cup ands he's worth that full hit anything short of multiple final appearances or said Cup and it's a disaster.

I'm not sure how this will unfold but I do think if he is moved he will be treated as a player with value. Fortune favors the bold and trading for him is at the very least a bold effort to win.

Also I can't imagine anyone retaining 20 plus mil without quite a haul coming back.

 

[ole ole]

While you are generally right value is something that requires context which is often lost on HF. Last playoffs he was the best goalie in the world and well worth every penny.

His value is relative and a bit unknown at this point. Of course he's not useful to an expansion team but to a team a goalie away there aren't many better proven talents. One cup ands he's worth that full hit anything short of multiple final appearances or said Cup and it's a disaster.

I'm not sure how this will unfold but I do think if he is moved he will be treated as a player with value. Fortune favors the bold and trading for him is at the very least a bold effort to win.

Also I can't imagine anyone retaining 20 plus mil without quite a haul coming back.

TY For a well thought out response unlike the troll responses in which we see in every 2nd post in this thread.

 

[ole ole]

He’ll most likely be stuck in MTL for another 2-3 years after this season and bought out like Lundqvist in NY.
Even with retention, no one wants a 38 year old for multiple years with a boat anchor of a cap hit.
I think the rangers have learned their lesson about paying goalies more then 5-6 mill at most of the term is long.
It’s going to be interesting to see how they handle shesty a next deal. While he’s certainly played elite enough to fill hanks shoes, he has been injured at least every year. 2 of the years it’s been the same knee with no contact whatsoever.
I suspect Gorton coming from NYR and the habs fans dealing with the tail end of prices deal have learned this as well from now on.

That's a 34 yr old not 38 if it makes any difference.

 

[TBF1972]

What team would he be an upgrade in that are looking to "compete".
Devils. Sharks? Oilers. all I see on a fast look. None would ever take on more than 7m for him. Maybe some offseason devils move if they think competing opens next year

Devils would ask for multiple 1st round picks attached to Price to absorb the Price contract - even at 7m.

So forget a non PO team as a trade partner for Price.

 

[HogtownSabresfan]

While you are generally right value is something that requires context which is often lost on HF. Last playoffs he was the best goalie in the world and well worth every penny.

His value is relative and a bit unknown at this point. Of course he's not useful to an expansion team but to a team a goalie away there aren't many better proven talents. One cup ands he's worth that full hit anything short of multiple final appearances or said Cup and it's a disaster.

I'm not sure how this will unfold but I do think if he is moved he will be treated as a player with value. Fortune favors the bold and trading for him is at the very least a bold effort to win.

Also I can't imagine anyone retaining 20 plus mil without quite a haul coming back.

You are also on the hook for half of the $30 M plus owed and the $5,25 M of cap times four years. This is for a guy who will be 35.

The retention just gets you closer to the value for a goalie who had his hot playoff but is generally in decline. At $10.5 million, you can wave Price and no one claims him, if he didn't have a NMC. Anyone who thinks someone would claim Price at $10.5M is dreaming

The $5.25 M contract for four more years, where does that put Price in terms of goalies? Personally, I take three years of Robin Lehner at $5 M over him, with only a three-year commitment. What would you trade for Lehner. Some big haul. I wouldn't.

 

[AslanRH]

Only Price can decide when and where he wants to go, and that team has to want him.

There is very little leverage for Montreal to use to extort value from that team.
Their only real leverage is that they can refuse to trade him which opens the door to internal issues which may not be worth the fight.

I would think Price would try and do right by Montreal, but only to an extent if he indeed decides it is time to go.

 

[Mersss]

Only Price can decide when and where he wants to go, and that team has to want him.

There is very little leverage for Montreal to use to extort value from that team.
Their only real leverage is that they can refuse to trade him which opens the door to internal issues which may not be worth the fight.

I would think Price would try and do right by Montreal, but only to an extent if he indeed decides it is time to go.

Or he stays on LTIR for the reminder of his deal..
Habs don't need to trade him unless what's coming back actually helps their rebuild.

Price won't stay in a rebuilding team, therefore would probably eaive for any contender, increasing the market big time

 

[ole ole]

You are also on the hook for half of the $30 M plus owed and the $5,25 M of cap times four years. This is for a guy who will be 35.

The retention just gets you closer to the value for a goalie who had his hot playoff but is generally in decline. At $10.5 million, you can wave Price and no one claims him, if he didn't have a NMC. Anyone who thinks someone would claim Price at $10.5M is dreaming

The $5.25 M contract for four more years, where does that put Price in terms of goalies? Personally, I take three years of Robin Lehner at $5 M over him, with only a three-year commitment. What would you trade for Lehner. Some big haul. I wouldn't.

That's a no brainer. I'd easily rather have Price at 5.5 over Lehner at 5 mil and i would tend to believe so would most G.M.s