GDT: CarBos- The Bane of the Atkins Diet

[FlyingSquirrels]

To think that the analytics people of hockey all thought that Hamilton was our best defender the past few years.... lol

Regarding TDA, I'm leery of giving him a big extension just because of his history, but I'm definitely down for a 2 or 3 year bridge to prove what happened in NYR was a fluke. He's been nothing short of incredible for us on the blue line, to the point where he actually has a better PPG right now than Dougie ever did in any season with us. I don't think anyone could have expected that.

And Jordo... sigh, I think he's quickly finding himself in a spot where the game is just too fast for him. Yes, he's snake bit on the scoresheet, but he's also noticeably slow out there on the forecheck and backcheck. I hate to say it, but if this kind of play continues, he might need to take a spell at 4C.

Yup!

 

[tarheelhockey]

We have also entered a period of existence where there's also the thought of 'how much do you value winning' when it comes to signing here. Players who have more fun when their team is good and just enjoy winning more are going to take less to play on our team. Hell, I've taken less money to work for companies that I enjoyed working for, and we know it happens all the time in sports. Not everyone is going to be looking for the big payday, there are some that just want to win.

Given how things spiraled in NYR, I would not be shocked if TDA is willing to take a little less on his next contract just to stay in a healthy locker room environment for a few years.

It's a bit of a gamble from his perspective, but playing well in a Cup-winning context could lead to a MASSIVE payday in another year or two. Someone would throw an extra mil or more onto their offer if he showed an ability to get it done in the playoffs. That might be worth taking a relatively modest bridge, in order to further establish himself as a core player on a top-tier team, and then going Ham(ilton) once he hits free agency.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

It's a bit of a gamble from his perspective, but playing well in a Cup-winning context could lead to a MASSIVE payday in another year or two. Someone would throw an extra mil or more onto their offer if he showed an ability to get it done in the playoffs. That might be worth taking a relatively modest bridge, in order to further establish himself as a core player on a top-tier team, and then going Ham(ilton) once he hits free agency.

Plus, 3 years of good behavior on a competitive team is better than 1, from a proof of concept perspective.

 

[Svechhammer]

It's a bit of a gamble from his perspective, but playing well in a Cup-winning context could lead to a MASSIVE payday in another year or two. Someone would throw an extra mil or more onto their offer if he showed an ability to get it done in the playoffs. That might be worth taking a relatively modest bridge, in order to further establish himself as a core player on a top-tier team, and then going Ham(ilton) once he hits free agency.

I mean we've already been doing this for goalies the last few years, might as well do it for offensive defensemen as well.

Our style sets itself up nicely for those players to come in and have career years. I mean if Freddie keeps this play up, he's gonna get an absurd contract when this one is up. Dougie just cashed in, as did Mrazek, Reimer and Ned. If TDA plays to this level for 2 or 3 more years, he'll break the bank in UFA.

 

[zman77]

Carolina Hurricanes: Highest penalty-kill % @ 90.1 %.
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[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I mean we've already been doing this for goalies the last few years, might as well do it for offensive defensemen as well.

Our style sets itself up nicely for those players to come in and have career years. I mean if Freddie keeps this play up, he's gonna get an absurd contract when this one is up. Dougie just cashed in, as did Mrazek, Reimer and Ned. If TDA plays to this level for 2 or 3 more years, he'll break the bank in UFA.

I really do think that some fans that don't get how the average NHL GM thinks will gasp in horror when they see what Nino and Trocheck get in UFA, especially if the Canes win the Cup. Someone should easily give Trocheck more than what Kevin Hayes (who, remember folks, got a 7x7!) got, especially because Trocheck IS the better player. It also wouldn't shock me if someone offers Nino 6M/year, either.

 

[Tryamw]

I'd hate to be the one to give him a manicure.. Talk about all the time you'd have to spend!.

 

[Bagge]

I mean we've already been doing this for goalies the last few years, might as well do it for offensive defensemen as well.

Our style sets itself up nicely for those players to come in and have career years. I mean if Freddie keeps this play up, he's gonna get an absurd contract when this one is up. Dougie just cashed in, as did Mrazek, Reimer and Ned. If TDA plays to this level for 2 or 3 more years, he'll break the bank in UFA.

Or maybe Andersen and d'Angelo realises which team gave them a second chance and got their career back on track and give the team a discount for their services?

 

[chaz4hockey]

Carolina Hurricanes: Highest penalty-kill % @ 90.1 %.
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An Achilles heel for Florida come playoff time…….

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Or maybe Andersen and d'Angelo realises which team gave them a second chance and got their career back on track and give the team a discount for their services?

Possible, and pretty to think so. Not something to count on, though.

 

[danishdynamite]

Would you give Andersen an extension for 4 more years to 5 M/year now? And would he take it?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Would you give Andersen an extension for 4 more years to 5 M/year now? And would he take it?

Knowing how certain factions of the NHL are crazy MFers when it comes to "winning" players on winning teams, I bet you that there will be some team that gives Freddie a 4x$10M (the NHL equivalent of the Max Scherzer deal) if the Canes get that Cup within the next two seasons. So no.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I really do think that some fans that don't get how the average NHL GM thinks will gasp in horror when they see what Nino and Trocheck get in UFA, especially if the Canes win the Cup. Someone should easily give Trocheck more than what Kevin Hayes (who, remember folks, got a 7x7!) got, especially because Trocheck IS the better player. It also wouldn't shock me if someone offers Nino 6M/year, either.

The concept of what you're saying is true, this post is a "yes and" to your post not a disagreement.

I am curious how a flat cap for an unforeseen amount of time affects the actual dollar value of those contracts. One of the main things GMs used to justify the long-term deals was the notion of the ever-growing cap, and by the time we're in year 7 of this deal this cap hit that looks bad right now won't be as much of an issue.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong in concept, but I wonder if that batshit crazy 7x7 deal becomes a batshit crazy 7x6 deal this year just because of those market forces.

 

[bleedgreen]

I really do think that some fans that don't get how the average NHL GM thinks will gasp in horror when they see what Nino and Trocheck get in UFA, especially if the Canes win the Cup. Someone should easily give Trocheck more than what Kevin Hayes (who, remember folks, got a 7x7!) got, especially because Trocheck IS the better player. It also wouldn't shock me if someone offers Nino 6M/year, either.

Our style of money puck works great until there’s an off year of available replacements for the guys we let go. We won’t have a TDA available every year, and even with 56 mid to low range prospects there won’t always be the right player to trade for. They know this too and try to make sure guys are in place, JK seems like an obvious move there. That’s us acknowledging what our center position looks like in a year or two.

We bulls eyed it this year so far. Everything has come up roses and we’re consistently playing the right style. Like I said earlier our window is right now. We don’t know what next year or any other year will look like. Everyone is in their prime aside from Staal who has a couple of kicks left in the can.

 

[The Faulker 27]

The Rangers will be a tougher match up on Friday me thinks.

 

[Tryamw]

The Rangers will be a tougher match up on Friday me thinks.

Not if Snowmageddon 2022 stops it!.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

The Rangers will be a tougher match up on Friday me thinks.

The Russian in net scares me, nothing else about that team does.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

The concept of what you're saying is true, this post is a "yes and" to your post not a disagreement.

I am curious how a flat cap for an unforeseen amount of time affects the actual dollar value of those contracts. One of the main things GMs used to justify the long-term deals was the notion of the ever-growing cap, and by the time we're in year 7 of this deal this cap hit that looks bad right now won't be as much of an issue.

Again, I'm not saying you're wrong in concept, but I wonder if that batshit crazy 7x7 deal becomes a batshit crazy 7x6 deal this year just because of those market forces.

The problem is that it's not an unforeseen amount of time. Bettman and Co. have already outlined how the cap would increase in the next 5 years. The light at the end of the proverbial tunnel can already be seen, and GMs are going to work accordingly.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Our style of money puck works great until there’s an off year of available replacements for the guys we let go. We won’t have a TDA available every year, and even with 56 mid to low range prospects there won’t always be the right player to trade for. They know this too and try to make sure guys are in place, JK seems like an obvious move there. That’s us acknowledging what our center position looks like in a year or two.

We bulls eyed it this year so far. Everything has come up roses and we’re consistently playing the right style. Like I said earlier our window is right now. We don’t know what next year or any other year will look like. Everyone is in their prime aside from Staal who has a couple of kicks left in the can.

It's actually kind of absurd that we managed to fully replace Hamilton with a guy on a near-minimum contract, which allowed us to steal a top prospect with an offer sheet. By all rights, we should have huge holes in the roster right now, based on where things stood a year ago.

The way we got here is some EA Sports bullshit that doesn't happen in real life.

 

[Stickpucker]

I think the Bruins had won 8 of their last 9 with several quality opponents sprinkled in there (Lightning, Caps, maybe other(s)). No they're not the same team as they were a few years ago, Bergeron aging and Krejci leaving will do that (and not that that first period was his fault but Rask is coming off a pretty major injury and is definitely rusty), but they're still one of the top teams in the league, maybe more 2nd tier now but they're a sure thing playoff team. Dismantling a team like that in their own house especially considering the recent track record against them is definitely something for Canes fans to be excited about.

re: Rask being rusty....

Slavin didn't use being "rusty" as an excuse last night.

 

[Turin]

Even though I’m a Penguins fan I have huge respect for the Canes and how they go about their business, you guys are the Cup favourites right now IMO.

 

[Ole Gil]

Our style of money puck works great until there’s an off year of available replacements for the guys we let go. We won’t have a TDA available every year, and even with 56 mid to low range prospects there won’t always be the right player to trade for. They know this too and try to make sure guys are in place, JK seems like an obvious move there. That’s us acknowledging what our center position looks like in a year or two.

We bulls eyed it this year so far. Everything has come up roses and we’re consistently playing the right style. Like I said earlier our window is right now. We don’t know what next year or any other year will look like. Everyone is in their prime aside from Staal who has a couple of kicks left in the can.

Everything worked out great this year, and they're on pace for 130 points or something nonsensical. You can have a couple setbacks and still be a 100 point team challenging for the cup instead of being one of the cup favorites. They don't need everything to work out every year. It's just a nice bonus.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

re: Rask being rusty....

Slavin didn't use being "rusty" as an excuse last night.

Not sure I'd compared their situations. Slavin if he had zero symptoms, which I think is a fair assumption, basically just had 5 days of rest... Rask hadn't played in like 7-8 months and had a major surgery. Plus goalie vs. skater I think takes more time to get settled and in a rhythm.

To be clear I'm not taking anything away from our performance, frankly none of those goals were even that bad from Rask. But some of them are ones that he might've had against us in that playoffs series in '19 when he stood on his head against us early.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It's actually kind of absurd that we managed to fully replace Hamilton with a guy on a near-minimum contract, which allowed us to steal a top prospect with an offer sheet. By all rights, we should have huge holes in the roster right now, based on where things stood a year ago.

The way we got here is some EA Sports bullshit that doesn't happen in real life.

Of course, it required yet another front office to make an incredibly ill-advised decision, not unlike what happened with Nino and Trocheck (again, the difference in competence between the old Minnesota/Florida FOs and the new ones are like night and day). Though Carolina did catch Montreal in a cap bind, any GM worth their salt would've successfully dumped a relatively small amount of cap for, say, a 2nd or 3rd round sweetener, and then would've matched the offer sheet. There's a reason why Bergevin was fired not long afterwards in favor of (in essence) Jeff Gorton. I know that a lot of Habs defenders point out about the QO, and sure, that could've been a problem, but to me, you should bet on the 21 year old who's already an NHL centerman (and, it bears repeating, is one of a select few players currently in the NHL who is younger than Svechnikov!) to grow and become a better player.

 

[Tryamw]

It's actually kind of absurd that we managed to fully replace Hamilton with a guy on a near-minimum contract, which allowed us to steal a top prospect with an offer sheet. By all rights, we should have huge holes in the roster right now, based on where things stood a year ago.

The way we got here is some EA Sports bullshit that doesn't happen in real life.

Jarvis working out early has really helped also!.
and Svech Growing up