Confirmed Trade: [CAR/PIT] Jake Guentzel (25% retained), Ty Smith for Michael Bunting, Ville Koivunen, Vasili Ponomarev, Cruz Lucius, 2024 cond. 1st, 2024 cond. 5th

[Rafafouille]

This return is arguably worse than what Lindholm got.

As it should. Lindholm is a selke finalist center.

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

This is a brutal return for Pittsburgh. Damn I feel bad for you guys.

You don’t need too. We have done too much winning. It’s time for the dark times.

 

[AslanRH]

Well no, that’s a much better offer

how so?
Bunting + Lucius + conditional 5th seems fairly close to a md-late 2nd
The other 2 prospects seem to be performing at their draft value. (2nds)
the conditional 2nd isnt great but it could be a late 1.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

Koivunen is the sixth leading scorer in Liiga as a 20 year old seems pretty good?

 

[Canovin]

Dubas is the type that gets on the phone with you and then burn bridges and then ends up taking the lowest offer from the last GM cause the other GMs don’t want to deal with him anymore

 

[Pancakes]

As a Pens fan I have no idea what to think because I know jack shit about any of the prospects they acquired.

So I guess I'll withhold my disgust until we see in a few years whether any of these kids amounts to anything.

 

[domaug]

We don’t have a first or second. Getting one of those this year matters to a team looking to retool vs rebuild.

Vancouver fans are so confident that their team would've smoked that deal and you think the difference is a pick this year vs next year?

 

[doomscroll]

Not getting the top-end pieces reported by hack “insiders” must sting for Pens fans, but they came away with a replacement winger and basically an entire draft’s worth of solid prospects and a pick to stock what was otherwise a woeful farm.

 

[bleedgreen]

It's actually kinda funny that this deal seems like directly in the middle between what Canucks fans were offering and what Penguins fans were asking from the Canucks.

I think it's a mediocre return, but calling it anything more than that is an exaggeration. Koivunen and Ponomarev are both good and Lucius seems like someone useful. The way this trade hurts is because Pagnotta cock-teased everyone by suggesting Morrow and Blake were included.

You got a great return. Pono and Koivunen? Koivunen is more talented than Blake, and he’ll fit your style better than he would’ve fit ours I suspect. He was a higher pick. You got two former second rounders. Pono for Morrow isn’t as bad as you think either. He would’ve been a Cane all year if it wasn’t for a training camp injury. Lucius is more of an unknown but he’s had a good season. Three prospects, a top six forward and a first? I think it’s better than the deal you thought you were getting. I think we overpaid.

I’m very much not sold on Morrow.

 

[66-30-33]

Would have to think Guentzel being non committal to any contract negotiations played a major part in this.

Almost screams he wants to be back in Pittsburgh next year or seek out the highest bidder in the summer.

Probably lessened the return.

Hopefully he signs there (Carolina). We need to move on.

 

[Atoyot]

As it should. Lindholm is a selke finalist center.

Years ago, in a season that analytics would say that Tkachuk was more responsible for the positive defensive numbers than Lindholm was.

 

[Woodrow]

Koivunen is the sixth leading scorer in Liiga as a 20 year old seems pretty good?

Could be a good trade if he turns out to be good.

 

[Silky mitts]

Caps probably got a higher pick in the Mantha deal than Pens got in this deal

 

[StIvany4Norris]

Brutal

If that’s it, might as well sell the rest

 

[WarriorofTime]

Turns out everyone was wrong with the prospects being included

Koivunen and Ponomarev are both realy solid prospects, and Lucius seems decent from the read. Still though, I would have expected at least one of Blake or Morrow in this.

I mean, they held onto all their best prospects.

 

[Cancuks]

Vancouver couldn’t beat this?

Sadly no as Pens fans insisted on Lekkeramaki/Hoglander, Raty and a first.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Blues fans should be happy. This means Doug should extend Buch. Going to the deadline next year and you may get this or Horvat type return.

 

[SnizzNasty88]

Seeing Kyle Dubas get absolutely waxed on deals fires me up. Atrocious return from an atrocious GM. I feel so bad for Sid, he needs to get out of there asap. Oh my goodness gracious

[MOD]

 

[SomeDude]

To not get a guaranteed 1st and/or one of a team's top 5 prospects for the best rental on the market at the deadline is absurd. Dubas got his boy, Bunting, though. What a bad General Manager.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

From the (wrong) report of Morrow and Blake to 3 other prospects and a weird condition on the pick ?

 

[God]

You don’t need too. We have done too much winning. It’s time for the dark times.

this is a shockingly refreshing take from from one of the more spoiled fanbases in the nhl

i will continue to wallow in darkness.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Pens fans, are you happy with this return?

Surely the Vancouver package was better?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Oh wow, brutal return.

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

lol at Pens fans thinking they could get Nikishin. Couldn’t even get Morrow. Pono and Koivunen both solid prospects but also both a tier below Morrow.

I'm fine with the prospects but imo it should have been a guaranteed first. Oh well. Will still root for you guys since you got Jake.

 

[WarriorofTime]

As it should. Lindholm is a selke finalist center.

Guentzel is a PPG player...