Confirmed Trade: [CAR/PIT] Jake Guentzel (25% retained), Ty Smith for Michael Bunting, Ville Koivunen, Vasili Ponomarev, Cruz Lucius, 2024 cond. 1st, 2024 cond. 5th

[Maple Leaf]

This thread demonstrates that the average HF poster’s knowledge of prospects is actually quite thin.

prospects are overrated

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

Honestly I’ve been racking my brain for a comparable rental return and the closest I’ve come is Gretzky to the Blues. He brought back a 1st, 5th, Johnson, Tardiff and Vopat. Johnson was a bottom six guy, Vopat was a half decent prospect and I don’t remember Tardiff. This is a comparable and could easily be a better return. That’s blowing my mind a bit right now.

Adam Oates to Philly? Maxime Oullet ( then a top goalie prospect), 1st, 2nd, 3rd

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

According to Scott Wheeler, Ponomaryov was the Hurricanes' 6th-best prospect, Koivunen was their 7th-best prospect, and Lucius was their 9th-best prospect.

According to HFCanes board, Ponomartov is fifth and Koivunen is leading Blake for sixth.

 

[domaug]

None of these prospects were on any of the 3000 wish lists you posted in the last 48 hours.

and in spite of that, the Rags STILL couldn't beat the offer.

 

[Zirakzigil]

and in spite of that, the Rags STILL couldn't beat the offer.

They were never an option

 

[Kairi Zaide]

I like how Canes fans, the ones familiar with these prospects, are saying it’s a decent/solid return for the Penguins, yet it’s a bunch of other fans saying how Dubas got bent over.

I hope Guentzel does well in Carolina and they go on a run. Think he should be a great fit there. I hope Koivunen and Ponomarev end up as good as Canes fans think they can be.

It's like how stores win customers by pricing their items $9.99 instead of $10.00

 

[Agent Zuuuub]

I really like this for Pens. They need young hungry legs.

A move for now and the future.

 

[Hodge]

This is an incredible return for a pure rental. What are people smoking?

 

[Chainshot]

I like how Canes fans, the ones familiar with these prospects, are saying it’s a decent/solid return for the Penguins, yet it’s a bunch of other fans saying how Dubas got bent over.

I hope Guentzel does well in Carolina and they go on a run. Think he should be a great fit there. I hope Koivunen and Ponomarev end up as good as Canes fans think they can be.

With how well the Canes draft outside of the first round, there seems like a solid chance they might have sent some guys worth a damn the other way.

 

[bleedgreen]

Adam Oates to Philly? Maxime Oullet ( then a top goalie prospect), 1st, 2nd, 3rd

That’s not bad, I think this beats it though? At least it’s comparable. I can’t think of many man.

 

[VanManSam]

Man this is a bad one for Dubas. As a Canucks fan, I would have paid next year's first plus podkolzin or something along the lines of that. This seems like quantity of quality with bad stipulations attached to the picks. I'm glad I'm not Dubas giving the green light for this trade. I hope the prospects they acquired prove me wrong.

 

[Rafafouille]

I think you’re highly overrating Michael Bunting. There’s a reason he made under a million every year of his career except this one.

I dunno, maybe because the guy had 26 NHL games played the last time he signed a contract? Wtf is that argument. Carter Verhaeghe never made more than 1m until the age of 27, he sucks too?

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

According to HFCanes board, Ponomartov is fifth and Koivunen is leading Blake for sixth.

That was at the start of the season right? Koivunen had a great season for Karpat

He's worth at least a late 1st, and Ponomartov is worth at least a 2nd.

So it was around 1st + 2-3 2nds; except most of the equity is in players who are D+2 or D+3

 

[DollardStLaurent]

None of these prospects were on any of the 3000 wish lists you posted in the last 48 hours.

Koivunen is having an excellent year in Liiga. 55 points in 57 games. Tied for 5th in the league.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

This is an incredible return for a pure rental. What are people smoking?

Dubas Disdain sprinkled with Penguin hate

 

[bleedgreen]

Man this is a bad one for Dubas. As a Canucks fan, I would have paid next year's first plus podkolzin or something along the lines of that. This seems like quantity of quality with bad stipulations attached to the picks. I'm glad I'm not Dubas giving the green light for this trade. I hope the prospects they acquired prove me wrong.

That wouldn’t have been close to what they got.

 

[Divine]

I dunno, maybe because the guy had 26 NHL games played the last time he signed a contract? Wtf is that argument. Carter Verhaeghe never made more than 1m until the age of 27, he sucks too?

Well, generally speaking a guy who is traded the first year he was signed to the highest bidder as a UFA is not a very valuable asset.

If Pittsburgh wanted him they could have got him for free last summer. Bunting was a cap dump.

What value do you think he has in a trade?

 

[Joe McGrath]

Pono can play right now. Bunting is signed and a legit top 6 wing who will thrive next to Crosby or Malkin. The other two prospects are coin flips.

If you think 2 months of Guentzel is worth more than. That and the conditional pick you’re delusional.

 

[Gurglesons]

How much you wanna bet Dubas took a lesser prospect return here because he could get one of his ex-Soo pet rocks back in Bunting?

Seems like this. Dubas valued Bunting and quantity.

Such a god damn loser.

 

[CanadienShark]

Carolina, wow.

 

[Gurglesons]

Pono can play right now. Bunting is signed and a legit top 6 wing who will thrive next to Crosby or Malkin. The other two prospects are coin flips.

If you think 2 months of Guentzel is worth more than. That and the conditional pick you’re delusional.

I mean Giroux returned more. At 34. Playing wing. Forcing his way to Florida.

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Dubas is legit gonna drive Crosby to demand a trade.

 

[Canuck Luck]

all i have to say is LMAO to all the Pens fans saying it would take Lekkermaki/Willander + 1st minimum. Y'all couldn't even get a guaranteed 1st. This is definitely a quantity over quality deal wlthough the quantity isnt as bad as people are making it out to be. Its just being pointed out because of how Pens fans were so sure they'd get A tier prospects

 

[alphabetical]

Those prospects look pretty good, but it's not the blue-chip haul that the penguins were hoping for. It's definitely quantity for quality in this trade, but it's still a good haul for a rental.

 

[domaug]

all i have to say is LMAO to all the Pens fans saying it would take Lekkermaki/Willander + 1st minimum. Y'all couldn't even get a guaranteed 1st. This is definitely a quantity over quality deal wlthough the quantity isnt as bad as people are making it out to be. Its just being pointed out because of how Pens fans were so sure they'd get A tier prospects

and in spite of that, Vancouver *****still***** couldn't beat it.