Contract Termination: [CAR] F Evgeny Kuznetsov and the Hurricanes mutually terminate contract

[MMC]

Would imagine the player would have to not end up playing in the league after the mutual termination otherwise there would be massive penalties.

Filip Zadina did this just this past season

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Can teams buy out a guy under the guise of mutual termination which of course then would not count against the cap at all? Like, both parties would agree to a sum of money to be paid out to the player so they can go away? Of course then the payment would have to be under the table and very secretive. What would the penalties be for something like that?

 

[Mattilaus]

Can teams buy out a guy under the guise of mutual termination which of course then would not count against the cap at all? Like, both parties would agree to a sum of money to be paid out to the player so they can go away? Of course then the payment would have to be under the table and very secretive. What would the penalties be for something like that?

Penalty would be Ottawa losing their 1st round pick. Doesn't matter which team does it.

 

[Sota Popinski]

Can teams buy out a guy under the guise of mutual termination which of course then would not count against the cap at all? Like, both parties would agree to a sum of money to be paid out to the player so they can go away? Of course then the payment would have to be under the table and very secretive. What would the penalties be for something like that?

Depends on the team. Minnesota Wild? Loss of multiple 1st round picks. Chicago Blackhawks? Rewarded with #1 overall pick

 

[joestevens29]

Here's a stupid question...

What's to stop any team from doing this with a high-bonus, low-salary player?

Take John Tavares for example, could both the LEafs and he agree to mutually terminate the deal?

Sure, but he’s have to clear waivers so odds are Tavares doesn’t want to risk ending up on a bottom feeder

 

[seanlinden]

Not a CBA expert by any stretch, but I don't see why not. Thing is, it's a big risk for the player. They have to know they can get their money somewhere else and unless they have a contract, they don't have a contract. Verbal agreements are only worth the paper they're written on. With a buyout, the player gets their money no matter what comes next--see Skinner.

EDIT: but come to think of it... what's to stop another team from claiming Kuz off waivers and refusing to let him out of his deal?

Yeah, I look at Tavares as sort of the egregious example here. He'd be "risking" $900k or whatever it is. Obviously he could go and get himself a couple million easily.

I guess the challenge for him would be the possibility that a bottom feeder is willing to give up the $11m in cap space for him.

As for Kuznetsov, I guess the thought is that most teams probably don't want a guy that doesn't even want to be in the league.

 

[Lempo]

EDIT: but come to think of it... what's to stop another team from claiming Kuz off waivers and refusing to let him out of his deal?

The unclarity it would cause to their cap situation when they would then have to wait and see whether Kuzy reports to the team or defects to Russia.

 

[KevinRedkey]

In theory, a team could screw over WSH by claiming Kuznetsov and not terminating his contract. lol

 

[Midnight Judges]

You’re not being crazy here. Canes fans braced for this offseason for a long time, to the point that we were already acclimated to the idea of taking a big step back. And we’ve seen this front office let free agents walk for a long time, with things generally turning out ok in the end because there were other acquisitions in the wings. So the fanbase is on a different wavelength than outside observers right now. But yes, this offseason has gone even more poorly than expected, and they have taken some damage that likely can’t be repaired. I’d give it a coin-flip chance whether they get back to serious contention (top 5 team) without having to at least undergo a deep multi-year retool. At the moment, the fanbase in general will push back on that kind of negativity, but it’s kind of hard to get around how many holes are in the lineup now, and how much luck it would take to fill them without using high draft picks OR free agent overpayment.

If it's any consolation, the Capitals took a big step back in 2018. Ended pretty well for us.

 

[The Great Mighty Poo]

This might be the worst joke that I ever laughed at



If it's any consolation, the Capitals took a big step back in 2018. Ended pretty well for us.

You're f***ing welcome!

 

[SeanMoneyHands]

Guy is washed up, man he's sure fallen off a cliff fast. He was once considered a star #1C the year Washington won the cup. He leeched off the success of Ovy and Backstrom.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Don't give them too much credit; it's a Yakov Smirnoff based joke from the late-80s/early-90s.

It's still a classic, though.

yeah I know - chair sit on you and all that.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDo]

What’s he doing? Gotta be way easier to get blow in the states compared to Russia.

 

[Reality Czech]

Think of all the time we'll save by not having to watch his shootout attempts anymore

 

[hockeykicker]

In theory, a team could screw over WSH by claiming Kuznetsov and not terminating his contract. lol

washington doesnt need the cap space so not really sure how they would be screwed

 

[joestevens29]

I'll give Kuz some credit here. Walking away from at least 6mil maybe 8mil. Generally guys do the mutually termination when they are on contracts close to minimum salary.

Think the last guy I can remember doing this was Berglund who had multiple years left at around 4mil a year or something

I'm also trying to remember who it was that was on mutual termination waivers and was picked up by another team. I feel like my Oilers might've been involved, but I really can't remember. Anyone remember who that was?

 

[wickedwitch]

Conn Smythe !== post season Art Ross

Yeah, it's not like he scored the biggest goal of that playoffs or anything.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Yeah, it's not like he scored the biggest goal of that playoffs or anything.

Even so , he immediately cancelled it out by introducing the worst celly in the history of hockey right after.

 

[Planetov]

Farewell to a guy who deserved the Conn Smyth

No fans care enough about Kuznetsov to think this. They’re just upset about who actually won it.

But I’m certain Kuznetsov is reading your response and appreciates the fake sentiment.

 

[tarheelhockey]

No fans care enough about Kuznetsov to think this. They’re just upset about who actually won it.

But I’m certain Kuznetsov is reading your response and appreciates the fake sentiment.

You ok?

 

[Planetov]

You ok?

Living the dream, chief.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Well looks like he cleared waivers.

Should have been the Conn Smythe winner in 2018.
Just never had that needed consistency.
Pretty nuts to think about his peak and short prime.

 

[um]

Well looks like he cleared waivers.

Should have been the Conn Smythe winner in 2018.
Just never had that needed consistency.
Pretty nuts to think about his peak and short prime.

5 extra points over 4 rounds doesn't make up for being worse in every other part of the game. Y'all stat watchers.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Well looks like he cleared waivers.

Should have been the Conn Smythe winner in 2018.
Just never had that needed consistency.
Pretty nuts to think about his peak and short prime.

Career ruined by cocaine.

He’s not an NHL level player any more, no surprise at all with how all this went down.

 

[mouser]

Can teams buy out a guy under the guise of mutual termination which of course then would not count against the cap at all? Like, both parties would agree to a sum of money to be paid out to the player so they can go away? Of course then the payment would have to be under the table and very secretive. What would the penalties be for something like that?

Potential penalties the commissioner can apply for CBA circumvention include:
- Loss of draft picks
- Forfeiture of games
- Multi-million dollar fines to the team and team executives
- Suspensions of team personnel