Contract Termination: [CAR] F Evgeny Kuznetsov and the Hurricanes mutually terminate contract

[WarriorofTime]

Explains the reason Carolina was so willing to take him on, probably had knowledge that this was coming.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Losing two of your top 4 D and a bunch of forwards is not a good look. It’s strange all walked and none resigned. You don’t generally see a team lose half of its top 6, 2 top 4 D and not je able to strike a deal with another top 6 forward very often.

Not a good look? Seems like quite the reach. For a team with 5 top 4 defenders, losing two of them isn’t a big deal.

None of the forwards moved the needle for us in the playoffs, why overpay to keep them around

 

[Leafshater67]

Not a good look? Seems like quite the reach. For a team with 5 top 4 defenders, losing two of them isn’t a big deal.

None of the forwards moved the needle for us in the playoffs, why overpay to keep them around

Because the alternative is worse. Just roll over, let your top 6 walk and then what? Ice a top 6 of third liners and fail even worse?

I’m just saying it’s unusual to see teams accept getting worse and roll over and take it on the chin. They have some cap space and could have made a push but.. radio silence.

They’re going from a top 10 team in the league to a playoff bubble team and I’m asking why. It’s unusual to take multiple steps backwards without trying another approach. It’s not a path sports franchises take. Most do not willingly accept mediocrity “just because”. They’ll be firmly in hockey purgatory

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Because the alternative is worse. Just roll over, let your top 6 walk and then what? Ice a top 6 of third liners and fail even worse?

I’m just saying it’s unusual to see teams accept getting worse and roll over and take it on the chin. They have some cap space and could have made a push but.. radio silence.

They’re going from a top 10 team in the league to a playoff bubble team and I’m asking why. It’s unusual to take multiple steps backwards without trying another approach. It’s not a path sports franchises take. Most do not willingly accept mediocrity “just because”. They’ll be firmly in hockey purgatory

Is it any worse of a strategy than running the same players that don’t get it done?

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Svechnikov – Aho – Jarvis
Roslovic – Drury – Necas
Martinook – Staal – Fast
Carrier – Kotkaniemi – Robinson
Lemieux

Slavin – Burns
Orlov – Walker
Gostisbehere – Chatfield

Kochetkov
Andersen

Using $2.25 mil for Drury (Kurashev arb award), $5.8 mil for Necas (Bratt 22-23 + inflation) and $7.75 mil for Jarvis (Svechnikov internal cap), that leaves about ~$1.5 mil under the cap. Try to go as skinny as possible early for accrual. Some combination of accrual/retention/Roslovic should allow for a meaningful Top 6 upgrade mid-season/deadline.

This roster… kinda sucks? That’s a brutal second line. Can’t imagine Carolina will open the season like this.

 

[bleedgreen]

Losing two of your top 4 D and a bunch of forwards is not a good look. It’s strange all walked and none resigned. You don’t generally see a team lose half of its top 6, 2 top 4 D and not je able to strike a deal with another top 6 forward very often.


You can’t pay them all but they chose to pay none. So what, the team is a playoff bubble team because they didn’t even try? That’s really strange IMO.

None? We only lost Skjei/Pesce/Teravainen. Guentzel and Kuzy were deadline acquisitions. What are talking about half our top six? They did try to sign all of them, they weren’t going to pay what the market did. Not able to strike a deal with another top six? From ufa? Of course they didn’t. They don’t pay first day prices nor should they. Who was available that would’ve signed with them and was worth the money? Guentzel was the only one that made sense and he chose elsewhere.

There’s nothing strange about what happened. This off season has followed every off season during this regime. Trocheck, Nino, Dougie…we don’t pay those prices unless it’s a core piece.

The only thing that went wrong was holding Guentzel’s money for too long.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

This roster… kinda sucks? That’s a brutal second line. Can’t imagine Carolina will open the season like this.

It’s a similar forward group of multiple 110+ seasons. Wouldn’t want to go into the playoffs with it, but not too concerned about 1/2 to 3/4ths of the season.

Defense is a question mark just by virtue of the turnover. I’ll give pro scouting the benefit of the doubt. There was radical change on the blueline 3 years ago (Hamilton, Bean and Hakanpaa out/DeAngelo, Bear and Cole in) and they didn’t miss a beat.

Getting Jarvis locked up long-term is meaningful. If they have to sacrifice for a few months, so be it. Long-term cap certainty with Aho, Svechnikov, Jarvis and Slavin opens the door to do something significant in the future.

 

[elmaco]

This roster… kinda sucks? That’s a brutal second line. Can’t imagine Carolina will open the season like this.

Forward core is brutally bad.

 

[57special]

Good move for him. The future is out east anyways.

??

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Good move for him. The future is out east anyways.

The future? Lol

This guy has major issues that he couldn't get under control, even with the help of the player assistance program.

He's leaving because, "in the east", to use your expression, they don't give a shit if this guy destroys his health and life.

 

[Leafshater67]

None? We only lost Skjei/Pesce/Teravainen. Guentzel and Kuzy were deadline acquisitions. What are talking about half our top six? They did try to sign all of them, they weren’t going to pay what the market did. Not able to strike a deal with another top six? From ufa? Of course they didn’t. They don’t pay first day prices nor should they. Who was available that would’ve signed with them and was worth the money? Guentzel was the only one that made sense and he chose elsewhere.

There’s nothing strange about what happened. This off season has followed every off season during this regime. Trocheck, Nino, Dougie…we don’t pay those prices unless it’s a core piece.

The only thing that went wrong was holding Guentzel’s money for too long.

Aheee to disagree. They should have tried more aggressively to keep Guentzel, TT and picked up a top 6 forward desperately. They’re pretty much the undisputed losers of free agency. They took major steps backwards.

Playoff bubble team at best when they were a contender all this time. They let it slip away for nothing. That is weird

 

[43sfriends]

The future? Lol

This guy has major issues that he couldn't get under control, even with the help of the player assistance program.

He's leaving because, "in the east", to use your expression, they don't give a shit if this guy destroys his health and life.

Interesting interpretation of events but it's far more likely living overseas led to his issues and he & his family miss their home and better times.

 

[Leafshater67]

My bad, it’s not like I didn’t know not to feed the troll.

I’m not trolling. It’s not a troll opinion nor is it a hot take to say it’s unusual to see a team let a bunch of their team’s core walk for nothing and not even try to replace them. This doesn’t happen often.

Not many contending teams would let a bunch walk for nothing and leave major holes in their lineups just because.

 

[tarheelhockey]

I’m not trolling. It’s not a troll opinion nor is it a hot take to say it’s unusual to see a team let a bunch of their team’s core walk for nothing and not even try to replace them. This doesn’t happen often.

Not many contending teams would let a bunch walk for nothing and leave major holes in their lineups just because.

You’re not being crazy here. Canes fans braced for this offseason for a long time, to the point that we were already acclimated to the idea of taking a big step back. And we’ve seen this front office let free agents walk for a long time, with things generally turning out ok in the end because there were other acquisitions in the wings. So the fanbase is on a different wavelength than outside observers right now. But yes, this offseason has gone even more poorly than expected, and they have taken some damage that likely can’t be repaired. I’d give it a coin-flip chance whether they get back to serious contention (top 5 team) without having to at least undergo a deep multi-year retool. At the moment, the fanbase in general will push back on that kind of negativity, but it’s kind of hard to get around how many holes are in the lineup now, and how much luck it would take to fill them without using high draft picks OR free agent overpayment.

 

[Isles72]

I'd pump the brakes on this until someone with more credibility makes a statement .

the signing bonus pmt however its divided between wsh / car might be chump change to Ted L but not so much for Dundon

 

[Soul Assumption]

I'd pump the brakes on this until someone with more credibility makes a statement .

This is the same source that first reported about Michkov. Just because you don't know who he is doesn't mean he's less credible than Seravalli when it comes to the KHL.

 

[To Be Determined]

What is yoir favorite kind of ice cream?
[MOD]

 

[Isles72]

This is the same source that first reported about Michkov. Just because you don't know who he is doesn't mean he's less credible than Seravalli when it comes to the KHL.

find out soon enough I guess

 

[KILLger]

I’m not trolling. It’s not a troll opinion nor is it a hot take to say it’s unusual to see a team let a bunch of their team’s core walk for nothing and not even try to replace them. This doesn’t happen often.

Not many contending teams would let a bunch walk for nothing and leave major holes in their lineups just because.

Is it worst than a team that keeps its core intact, failure after failure?

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Wow that's too bad if he's leaving but he had a great run in the NHL

He had a couple good years, one great playoff run, and has been mediocre otherwise. He's been a negative for some time now. If I was a Canes fan I'd say good riddance.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Not a good look? Seems like quite the reach. For a team with 5 top 4 defenders, losing two of them isn’t a big deal.

None of the forwards moved the needle for us in the playoffs, why overpay to keep them around

That's a bit of a strange assertion. You could have 6 Top-4 D, if you lose two of them without replacement, that's still a huge deal.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

That's a bit of a strange assertion. You could have 6 Top-4 D, if you lose two of them without replacement, that's still a huge deal.

will our defense take a step back? probably. but this isnt some "not a good look moment" the quoted poster is trying to imply. teams lose UFAs. some people want to draw to many conclusions from it.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Aheee to disagree. They should have tried more aggressively to keep Guentzel, TT and picked up a top 6 forward desperately. They’re pretty much the undisputed losers of free agency. They took major steps backwards.

Playoff bubble team at best when they were a contender all this time. They let it slip away for nothing. That is weird

They tried to keep Guentzel. He decided he preferred Tampa. Nothing the Canes could have done there. TT was always leaving this year. There's a reason he signed basically the same contract in Chicago. Carolina wasn't offering him one.

As for the rest, what Top 6 forwards were available this FA that didn't sign for an overpayment?

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1813602057439580660

 

[Il Stugotz]

Farewell to a guy who deserved the Conn Smyth