Confirmed Trade: [CAR/COL/CHI] Mikko Rantanen (50%), Taylor Hall, Nils Juntorp to CAR; Martin Necas, Jack Drury, '25 2nd, '26 4th to COL; '25 3rd to CHI for retention

[WarriorofTime]

You don’t extend a window by overpaying a guy like Rantanen in his 30’s either. Phenomenal value at $9m. At $14 it’s questionable.

They’re just gonna have to pay Necas a year later. They basically nerfed their odds this year, get extra cap from one season out of it.

 

[elmaco]

Chicago retained 50% on Rantanen. There was no retention by Colorado.

Difference:

Rantanen: $9.25M cap hit, $6M salary (50% Retention $4.612M cap, $1.26M salary)
Hall: $6M cap hit, $5.25MM salary (50% Retention, $3M cap, $1.11M salary)

Salary and retention slots are what really matter for Chicago as they have no shortage of cap space. In this case they are paying more retaining on Rantanen then they would have with Hall.

True. Carolina though gets a slight bump on their capspace with Rants retention instead of Hall. Perhaps there's nothing more to it

 

[theVladiator]

Colorado knew they weren't going to be able to re-sign Rantanen. Chose to re-tool than going all-in for another Cup. Probably wise, as they aren't setting the world on fire, currently a wildcard team after all. The shakeup may actually give them a boost.

From Carolina's perspective, they are going all-in, but Necas is WAY to much for a rental. No doubt they will be trying their very best to keep Rantanen.

 

[HabsQC]

This will be a fun trade to re-visit after the playoffs and in the next few years. There will be a lot of variables that will tell the winner of this trade.

- Rantanen's next contract

- Both player's play

- How both teams will do in the playoffs this year

- Possible Necas trade next year

Will be cool to see how it plays out

 

[Svechhammer]

Yeah, really sounds like Colorado panicked, , lol

 

[OilersFanatics505]

It's a very sensational way of putting it, but I think all three of his points are probably true.

#1, Mikko didn't seriously think the Avs were going to trade him. He saw how this played out with Landeskog, and how it's playing out with Marner in Toronto. He didn't think it as a real possibility.

#2. The Avs were not making serious effort in trying to negotiate with the Rantanen party. They had offered Rantanen 11.25x8, and that was it. Apparently, the Avs didn't want to move past that number, or at least not near the MacKinnon number which the Rantanen camp was seeking.

#3. "The Avs paniced". Well, I suspect what he means is that the Avs wanted to make this trade now, because Canes were seriously invested in talks with Vancouver. There were only so many suitors for Rantanen, and clearly the Avs wanted Necas. So when the talks with Carolina and Vancouver picked up, the Avs decided to make the move.

I don't particularly care for Strickland, but I don't really see anything factually wrong in his reporting here.

When you use words like “apparently” and “I suspect” and “probably true”… how can people argue with those “facts”…

 

[tucker3434]

They’re just gonna have to pay Necas a year later. They basically nerfed their odds this year, get extra cap from one season out of it.

Not $14m. Not even close to that. It’s probably $3m in savings this year, $8m next year and $5 thereafter. It’s a significant gap.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Not $14m. Not even close to that. It’s probably $3m in savings this year, $8m next year and $5 thereafter. It’s a significant gap.

They’ll have to pay Martin Necas UFA value. There is no inherent reason to believe Martin Necas will perform more in line with Martin Necas UFA value more than Rantanen will on Mikko Rantanen UFA value. It’s not a saving in a meaningful sense unless one performs better value wise than the other. Which cannot be determined yet as neither is even signed let alone playing on their UFA deal.

 

[BB88]

You don’t extend a window by overpaying a guy like Rantanen in his 30’s either. Phenomenal value at $9m. At $14 it’s questionable.

The window with Macks age is the near future, not years 6,7,8.

With Mack/Rants/Makar it’s all about winning the next few seasons

You don’t pay normal players but franchise/supestar players you absolutely do

It’s much easier to create cap space than acquire a superstar in his prime, much much easier

Not $14m. Not even close to that. It’s probably $3m in savings this year, $8m next year and $5 thereafter. It’s a significant gap.

Then how is he going to be a 100 point player next to Mack?

If he’s all that he’s supposed to be it’s time to pay him superstar money.

Not a damm chance 90-100 point player settles for 2nd line money

 

[BB88]

Uh, the picks are tradeable assets as are the players who role Drury may affect that MAY now be tradeable (Colton, Mittelstadt etc). I think management sees depth as a key ingredient to cup contention, IF you have enough high end. Do they see Makar and Mack as enough high end? I guess they do, or at least as the better option.

A 4th round pick in 26 isn’t valuable, 2nd round pick is pretty basic

Just look at the last 4 Cup winners

Tkachuk/Reinhart/Verhaeghe
Stone/Marchessault
Rantanen/Landeskog
Kucherov/Stamkos

You want to win? You better have a franchise talent at W

 

[TheFamousFart]

lol necas is -2 allready sloppy defending

 

[Justicebork]

Necas is in his own kitchen right now

 

[McMoMoney29]

Actually love what Colorado did here. Still don’t think Mikko is pushing Carolina past the third round

 

[pth2]

True. Carolina thought gets a slight bump on their capspace with Rants retention instead of Hall. Perhaps there's nothing more to it

And Hall can always be moved out before the deadline if they suddenly need the cap room.

 

[Contenderorpretender]

Yes, Hall makes 6 mil a year, they retained 25% of rants which is less than 6mil, plus adding a 3rd.

Soooo you think the Chicago Blackhawks care about saving money? It's bad asset management pain and simple. You retain on rant get a3rd. You trade hall at the deadline and retain get another 3rd.

 

[bossram]

So let's imagine for a moment Carolina just took Hall to make the numbers work and wanted to flip him.

What value could Carolina get for an unretained Hall?

What value could Carolina get for a 50% retained Hall?

Do you genuinely think that is a 2nd round pick or more?

I think Hall could return something positive.

I actually think CHI got too little for the retention. You look at the state of the league right now, a lot of the bottom-tier teams have 1 or zero retention slots. And then a team like BUF is too cheap to pay for it. And in the East there are a glut of teams who might be unwilling to do it because they're in the playoff race.

There aren't many options for teams to get a third party to broker a trade to make the cap work.

 

[Richard88]

Soooo you think the Chicago Blackhawks care about saving money? It's bad asset management pain and simple. You retain on rant get a3rd. You trade hall at the deadline and retain get another 3rd.

Chicago actually only added about $250k in real salary (pro-rated) and opened over $1m in capspace, for a 3rd. Seems like fair value.

 

[tucker3434]

They’ll have to pay Martin Necas UFA value. There is no inherent reason to believe Martin Necas will perform more in line with Martin Necas UFA value more than Rantanen will on Mikko Rantanen UFA value. It’s not a saving in a meaningful sense unless one performs better value wise than the other. Which cannot be determined yet as neither is even signed let alone playing on their UFA deal.

I’d argue that it’s harder to be a $14m player unless you’re a regular share contender.

 

[Crow]

Chicago retained 50% on Rantanen. There was no retention by Colorado.

Difference:

Rantanen: $9.25M cap hit, $6M salary (50% Retention $4.612M cap, $1.26M salary)
Hall: $6M cap hit, $5.25MM salary (50% Retention, $3M cap, $1.11M salary)

Salary and retention slots are what really matter for Chicago as they have no shortage of cap space. In this case they are paying more retaining on Rantanen then they would have with Hall.

Just for my own curiosity where does the 1.26 figure come from? I thought it would be closer to 1/2 x 33/82 x 6 but I was just guessing.

I’d like to know how it’s actually calculated. Do I have the games remaining wrong?

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Looking back on last night, whoever leaked the Hall trade early without mentioning Rantanen has a hilarious sense of humour.

 

[lionsDen]

Necas sucks. Colorado is f***ing stupid

 

[Bruce Granville]

Yess…the Czech with #88 scored with a buzzer beater….wooo.

 

[Joe Sakic]

This easily has potential to go down as the wort trade in Avs' history.

We got absolutely bent. FLEECED. No way you're telling me this return is worth even remotely close to Rantanen at $14m AAV.

I'll come back to this in several years and be able to say "I told you so". Book it.

1 game down. Lost. 1st line (Drouin - MacK - Necas) ZERO points. 3 PP opportunities, ZERO points.

This is just the beginning.

 

[Spilot23]

Lost the trade !

 

[elmaco]

Soooo you think the Chicago Blackhawks care about saving money? It's bad asset management pain and simple. You retain on rant get a3rd. You trade hall at the deadline and retain get another 3rd.

Sure, businesses care about saving money. I don't think that it's the case with this one though.