Uh, the picks are tradeable assets as are the players who role Drury may affect that MAY now be tradeable (Colton, Mittelstadt etc). I think management sees depth as a key ingredient to cup contention, IF you have enough high end. Do they see Makar and Mack as enough high end? I guess they do, or at least as the better option.
Confirmed Trade: [CAR/COL/CHI] Mikko Rantanen (50%), Taylor Hall, Nils Juntorp to CAR; Martin Necas, Jack Drury, '25 2nd, '26 4th to COL; '25 3rd to CHI for retention
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GirardSpinorama
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Yup. Its essentially a stand off and while CMac didnt cave, he still blinked. We reported offer 12.6M, our max, anyways. This isnt a normal contract negotiation with a non core piece. Go to your max and if they dont take it, plan B should be executed.
Could have easily gotten Necas, drury, and at least a first and maybe even a good prospect.
The one reason I wanted the leafs to take treliving is That he got massacred for letting JG walk, and appeared to learn his lesson with tkachuk.
If the leafs lose Marner for nothing it will be a disaster.
I was hoping for a karlson Hague/whitecloud and a prospect for him.
This is a great deal for a ufa. I wish Toronto did it
WarriorofTime
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I’m really not sure your confusion. Hall has an expensive cap hit and would need to be retained at 50 % to have standalone value. He also isn’t that good. Doesn’t kill penalties and is basically a third line/PP2 option for a good team.
The third they got is their own third previously dealt. It’s closer in value to a contender late 2nd than a contender late 3rd.
Hawk GM presumably kicked the tires around to see what Hall was valued at. Likely word on street was a contender late third for Hall at fifty percent. If a late second for Hall at fifty percent was available they probably would have just done that. I suppose could have waited around until right at the deadline if hall had a hot streak and returned more. He could also get injured and return nothing.
The Rantanen piece is them retaining on Rantanen’s more expensive expiring cap hit than Hall’s expiring cap hit. So they retain a bit more, move Hall’s full value instead of half and end up with a pick roughly twenty picks higher.
It’s really not that complicated.
I think they are stuck with that. They KNOW he won't be the player he was. They will have the obligation to him (contractually and otherwise) if he still wants to play, whatever the level.
Fatass
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Sure. If you’re of the opinion that Rantanen is easy to play against, that’s fine. IMO he’s a far superior player to Nescas because of his hard on and off pucks style.
Wasn’t Hall likely a must take by the Canes as part of the Hawks taking on Rantanen cap too though? It’s not like the Canes would desire Hall.
GirardSpinorama
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Landeskog has nothing to do with Rantanen's extension. The situation you're talking about is unprecedented (players coming back from that severe of an injury and not LTIRed if they cant play). I really cant think of one.
No way they make this trade and let him walk. Every franchise can afford to blank-check a couple of guys. Anyone trading for Rantanen is signing up for him being one of those guys. You just can’t let him walk over $1-2m AAV.
LOFIN
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It would be a disaster management if Colorado sold Rantanen as a rental. You buy a Rantanen to sign him. That kind of player never touch July 1st
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A long time ago in this thread, I asked if the Hurricanes would consider playing Rantanen at center, since he's done so in Colorado from time to time, and was told he is most definitely best as a winger. Since it's rumored that Necas actually wants to play center instead of wing, what'a the likelihood the Avalanche are thinking of trying that? If he's legit a center, that changes the parameters of this trade (and Colorado's potential next moves) significantly.
LOFIN
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The only number that has officially (as in reported by multiple insiders) been on the table, and rejected, was 11.25M x 8
Edmonton can’t win a cup with drasaitl at 8.5 and mcdavid at 12.5. Barkov 10 mil was signed years ago. Colorado won their cup with Mack at 6.5 mil. Vegas won a cup with stone on LTIR and Tampa with kucherov LTIR. There is no team winning a cup with a 14 mil caphit anytime soon
I think Kypreos reported the best offer from Avs was $90 mill over 8 years.
Did wonder how Rant/Makar would react in terms of when their time was due after Mack only opted to get $100K more on his AAV than McDavid. Would they fall in line with him as the top guy salary wise on the team or would they still compare what the market was getting (as expected Matthews and Draisitl both passed him).
Seems like Rant wanted what the market rate would be.
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They gave hall away for free and got a 3rd for the retention .... is that the free you're talking about?
mouser
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Seems like less than ideal value for Chicago.
50% on Rantanen translates to $1.26M in actual dollars. The historical rate for retaining that much money is a late 2nd to 3rd+something (e.g. 3rd + 4th or 5th). Chicago receives only a 3rd in the deal, though it is their own and thus an early 3rd. Still seems less than the typical rate.
Essentially says to me that Taylor Hall had at most zero value and probably negative value without retention.
50% on Rantanen translates to $1.26M in actual dollars. The historical rate for retaining that much money is a late 2nd to 3rd+something (e.g. 3rd + 4th or 5th). Chicago receives only a 3rd in the deal, though it is their own and thus an early 3rd. Still seems less than the typical rate.
Essentially says to me that Taylor Hall had at most zero value and probably negative value without retention.
Nope. Sakic knows better than anyone what Rantanens value to is to the Aves long term. Rantanen will get max value on open market. Sakic is shrewd and bold. Necas is one hell of a player too boot.
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a mangy Meowth
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We didn't make a sudden turnaround and we're not disrespecting Rantanen. You're just making yourself look like a f***ing moron
LetsGoBLUES91
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And Rantanen is incredible but not 8 mil better than Necas.
I really don’t see why so many seem to hate this for Colorado. They basically decided to extend their window, even if it means maybe not being quite as good this year. But not sure they had enough this year anyway.
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Imo the Hawks insisted the Canes take Hall as part of the price to retain on Rantanen. There is no reason why the Canes would want Hall, is there? He’s likely a playoff scratch, I think.
Colorado is having issues trying to have depth in their l8ne up, which is so critical to cup success. Colorado had a number and wasn’t going to go past it, moved him and can get a couple of good depth players in FA
PeE eL DuBoiS
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If this trade helps any of these teams, I don't like it.
But if it doesn't work out for any of these teams, I like it for Chicago, Carolina and Colorado.
I wonder if they tried to include Calgary and Columbus in the deal? I hope so.
But if it doesn't work out for any of these teams, I like it for Chicago, Carolina and Colorado.
I wonder if they tried to include Calgary and Columbus in the deal? I hope so.
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Yes, Hall makes 6 mil a year, they retained 25% of rants which is less than 6mil, plus adding a 3rd.
BB88
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Yeah sure
All Rants threads are full of Avs posters complaining how he wasn’t that goof after all, not the same as he was few years ago, watch Necas put up the same points now with Mackinnon etc etc
It’s all there, but again whatever helps you sleep better
