Confirmed Trade: [CAR/COL/CHI] Mikko Rantanen (50%), Taylor Hall, Nils Juntorp to CAR; Martin Necas, Jack Drury, '25 2nd, '26 4th to COL; '25 3rd to CHI for retention

[BB88]

And Rantanen is incredible but not 8 mil better than Necas.

I really don’t see why so many seem to hate this for Colorado. They basically decided to extend their window, even if it means maybe not being quite as good this year. But not sure they had enough this year anyway.

You don’t expand the window by trading top talent for quantity

& the real cap benefits from this trade will only cover 1 season

So sure they now have more cap space for next season but they are lacking a dynamic offensive player they need to add

I would assume that’s going to eat cap space and even more assets no?

 

[Czechboy]

One nice advantage for Carolina maybe the built in chemistry with Aho. Rants and Aho may also be linemates and PP1 partners at 4 Nations.

That Finn PP will be brutal! Aho, Rants, Heisk, Barkov and Laine. Good lord what a setup.

One disadvantage is that Mack and Necas will have zero chemistry. I fear they have conflicting styles. Necas is better on line 2 at 5 on 5 with lesser players IMO that he can carry a bit.

 

[mouser]

Yes, Hall makes 6 mil a year, they retained 25% of rants which is less than 6mil, plus adding a 3rd.

Chicago retained 50% on Rantanen. There was no retention by Colorado.

Difference:

Rantanen: $9.25M cap hit, $6M salary (50% Retention $4.612M cap, $1.26M salary)
Hall: $6M cap hit, $5.25MM salary (50% Retention, $3M cap, $1.11M salary)

Salary and retention slots are what really matter for Chicago as they have no shortage of cap space. In this case they are paying more retaining on Rantanen then they would have with Hall.

 

[tucker3434]

You don’t expand the window by trading top talent for quantity

& the real cap benefits from this trade will only cover 1 season

So sure they now have more cap space for next season but they are lacking a dynamic offensive player they need to add

I would assume that’s going to eat cap space and even more assets no?



By stating posta from this exact thread?

Personally I’m just happy Rants is out of Colorado and can get more credit than he deserves and not just be the luckiest consistent 100 player in the league

I’m not gonna bother replying to you again so cope how ever you want

You don’t extend a window by overpaying a guy like Rantanen in his 30’s either. Phenomenal value at $9m. At $14 it’s questionable.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

As a fan of a team in Colorado's division, I approve of this trade.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

It would be a disaster management if Colorado sold Rantanen as a rental. You buy a Rantanen to sign him. That kind of player never touch July 1st

Ultimately the player has to sign. Carolina will have the space to offer him $12-$14M/yr, but if he wants to play elsewhere it's Mikko's choice.

I'll consider Rantanen a rental until he puts ink on paper.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Avs offense with no goals now without Rantanen

 

[Cypher]

This is completely false.

- Mikko was the one who told the Avs he would not negotiate during the season and there has been no reports to contradict that the past 4 months, other than this posts by Andy.
- Panic move? The trade deadline is still 2 months away, there was no hard deadline this weekend. There's been lots of scouting between the clubs the past couple days, it was hardly a secret.
- Landeskog is on the current road trip with the Avs (flight left Denver hours before the trade happened). He hasn't been on a roadtrip since the day the Avs won the cup in Tampa. So you knew something was up.
- If Mikko was traded, Carolina was the most logical place for him to be traded. Another contender and he gets to play with his Finish friend Aho. It's not like they sent him off to Buffalo.

 

[Djp]

Chicago retained 50% on Rantanen. There was no retention by Colorado.

Difference:

Rantanen: $9.25M cap hit, $6M salary (50% Retention $4.612M cap, $1.26M salary)
Hall: $6M cap hit, $5.25MM salary (50% Retention, $3M cap, $1.11M salary)

Salary and retention slots are what really matter for Chicago as they have no shortage of cap space. In this case they are paying more retaining on Rantanen then they would have with Hall.

Still…..I think chicsgo didn’t get much for trading hall and doing retention.

$1.26M in actual retained salary is worth more unless they need to get to the floor.

 

[LOFIN]

This is completely false.

- Mikko was the one who told the Avs he would not negotiate during the season and there has been no reports to contradict that the past 4 months, other than this posts by Andy.

What? They have been negotiating all the time, even Mikko Rantanen himself has said this.

 

[starsfan86]

The Fins vs. Czechs war on here is entertaining

 

[Djp]

This is completely false.

- Mikko was the one who told the Avs he would not negotiate during the season and there has been no reports to contradict that the past 4 months, other than this posts by Andy.
- Panic move? The trade deadline is still 2 months away, there was no hard deadline this weekend. There's been lots of scouting between the clubs the past couple days, it was hardly a secret.
- Landeskog is on the current road trip with the Avs (flight left Denver hours before the trade happened). He hasn't been on a roadtrip since the day the Avs won the cup in Tampa. So you knew something was up.
- If Mikko was traded, Carolina was the most logical place for him to be traded. Another contender and he gets to play with his Finish friend Aho. It's not like they sent him off to Buffalo.

How close is Land to coming back and play? Is the plan is for him to practice with the team for a few weeks then activate and send him to AHL for conditioning during the break and could have him return post break.

 

[Daishi]

Edmonton can’t win a cup with drasaitl at 8.5 and mcdavid at 12.5. Barkov 10 mil was signed years ago. Colorado won their cup with Mack at 6.5 mil. Vegas won a cup with stone on LTIR and Tampa with kucherov LTIR. There is no team winning a cup with a 14 mil caphit anytime soon

It's just RNG that's what it is. You make these definitive statements despite the Oil being literally a goal or two away from the Cup. Check Sid and Geno cap hits % wise when they won. Florida had Barky, Tkachuk and Bob all at big contracts and still won. Nothing wrong with McDavid and Drai for 21m total. It was a steal for what they bring. If 2026 cap is 97M is Aho+Rantanen for 22m worriesome? No it's perfectly reasonable.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Even if he comes in at 13 million, is it a bad contract?

I think he obviously wanted more than MacKinnon.

Dude is having his 5th straight season at a pace of 100 points or more.

The only winger in the league that's better is Kucherov.

Honestly Draisaitl picked 14.5 so he is under that.

I would have signed up to 13.5. McKinnon is better but he signed for a flat cap 2 years ago.

 

[TheDoldrums]

This is completely false.

- Mikko was the one who told the Avs he would not negotiate during the season and there has been no reports to contradict that the past 4 months, other than this posts by Andy.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Directly contradicts the Strickland post where he said they hadn't had discussions for months

 

[pth2]

This is completely false.

- Mikko was the one who told the Avs he would not negotiate during the season and there has been no reports to contradict that the past 4 months, other than this posts by Andy.
- Panic move? The trade deadline is still 2 months away, there was no hard deadline this weekend. There's been lots of scouting between the clubs the past couple days, it was hardly a secret.
- Landeskog is on the current road trip with the Avs (flight left Denver hours before the trade happened). He hasn't been on a roadtrip since the day the Avs won the cup in Tampa. So you knew something was up.
- If Mikko was traded, Carolina was the most logical place for him to be traded. Another contender and he gets to play with his Finish friend Aho. It's not like they sent him off to Buffalo.

I suspect Rantanen simply misread the situation. Star players often expect to be wined and dined extensively, and his agent probably told him they had months to figure things out... but Colorado looked at his agent's ask and decided to strike quickly before his vaue tanked as it got around they were moving him.

 

[Cypher]

How close is Land to coming back and play? Is the plan is for him to practice with the team for a few weeks then activate and send him to AHL for conditioning during the break and could have him return post break.

Still up in the air. He's skating with the team, but not for the whole practice or sometimes not on back to back days. And he's done this before, only to stop skating for like a month again. So who knows.

 

[Fatass]

One nice advantage for Carolina maybe the built in chemistry with Aho. Rants and Aho may also be linemates and PP1 partners at 4 Nations.

That Finn PP will be brutal! Aho, Rants, Heisk, Barkov and Laine. Good lord what a setup.

One disadvantage is that Mack and Necas will have zero chemistry. I fear they have conflicting styles. Necas is better on line 2 at 5 on 5 with lesser players IMO that he can carry a bit.

Don’t see Mac and Nescas together 5 on 5. Both guys need the puck to be their best.

 

[Czechboy]

Don’t see Mac and Nescas together 5 on 5. Both guys need the puck to be their best.

Necas didn't even play with Pasta at the Worlds. I don't think he played a lot with Aho (I may be wrong here). He's the kind of guy that does better with a guy like ivan ivan.lol MacK is obviously a totally different tier of player so he'll be just fine. But I think the Avs would benefit from splitting them up believe it or not.

 

[centipede2233]

I’ll be curious what rants and marner get this off season. If they get their asks, it won’t be on a contender and it’ll be welcome to Columbus/chicago/utah

 

[LOFIN]

Directly contradicts the Strickland post where he said they hadn't had discussions for months

Strickland didn't say there were no negotiations. He said that the Avs were not serious about them, meaning they really didn't want to budge at all. LeBrun is saying more or less the same. The Avs were never going anywhere near MacKinnon's number.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

Strickland didn't say there were no negotiations. He said that the Avs were not serious about them, meaning they really didn't want to budge at all.

The Strickland post is shit - no reason to defend it

 

[Cleatus]

As a Jets fan, I'm very slightly less scared of Colorado in the playoffs now.

 

[LOFIN]

The Strickland post is shit - no reason to defend it

It's a very sensational way of putting it, but I think all three of his points are probably true.

#1, Mikko didn't seriously think the Avs were going to trade him. He saw how this played out with Landeskog, and how it's playing out with Marner in Toronto. He didn't think it as a real possibility.

#2. The Avs were not making serious effort in trying to negotiate with the Rantanen party. They had offered Rantanen 11.25x8, and that was it. Apparently, the Avs didn't want to move past that number, or at least not near the MacKinnon number which the Rantanen camp was seeking.

#3. "The Avs paniced". Well, I suspect what he means is that the Avs wanted to make this trade now, because Canes were seriously invested in talks with Vancouver. There were only so many suitors for Rantanen, and clearly the Avs wanted Necas. So when the talks with Carolina and Vancouver picked up, the Avs decided to make the move.

I don't particularly care for Strickland, but I don't really see anything factually wrong in his reporting here.