Proposal: CAR - CGY Blockbuster

[Chan790]

Why would we move the best and 3rd best pieces for the 2nd and 4th best pieces?

General answer: Because a young top-30 defenseman is worth as much or potentially much more than a young top-10 but not top-5 forward due to asset-scarcity.

Specific answer: Calgary wouldn't. You're already solid on defense and thin up-front. (Which is to say you're in a similar situation to the Canes.) It makes no sense to move one of your best forwards at an area of weakness in a deal where the best asset in return is a defenseman at an area of strength.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Why would CGY do this to down grade at fwd for a prospect and a 3rd no way I would do this.

There is not one player that I would move Gaudreau for on CAR as CGY has a pretty good young team. CGY needs more fwds moving Gaudreau defeats this purpose

I wouldn't trade Gaudreau for any two of Carolina's roster players, Gaudreau is a special talent that has the ability to raise butts from seats many times in a game, with the brutal economic downturn in Calgary the team needs Gaudreau to sell seats. Carolina has some nice players but none on the excitement level of Johnny.

 

[TheOllieC]

I wouldn't trade Gaudreau for any two of Carolina's roster players, Gaudreau is a special talent that has the ability to raise butts from seats many times in a game, with the brutal economic downturn in Calgary the team needs Gaudreau to sell seats. Carolina has some nice players but none on the excitement level of Johnny.

Is being entertaining to watch worth finishing bottom 10 year after year? Do they need that exciting player because they've been bad? You'd think being a better team that can go deep into the playoffs would keep fans excited no?

If you can better your team, you probably should. I understand you don't want to trade Gaudreau and these two teams are awful trading partners, but this justification for wanting to keep him seems mostly dumb. Also unnecessarily extreme.

 

[Halla]

Gaudreau is the best piece.
Hamilton will be better than Faulk in a year or two.

Calgary does this why?

homer comment of the day goes to.... lol

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Is being entertaining to watch worth finishing bottom 10 year after year? Do they need that exciting player because they've been bad? You'd think being a better team that can go deep into the playoffs would keep fans excited no?

If you can better your team, you probably should. I understand you don't want to trade Gaudreau and these two teams are awful trading partners, but this justification for wanting to keep him seems mostly dumb. Also unnecessarily extreme.

They're 15 months removed from winning a playoff round, and oh! Gaudreau was their leading playoff scorer.

Your team hasn't sniffed the playoffs in 8 years, I think you should keep your best players, even if they are somewhat dull.

 

[Cynick]

Value wise, it's quite a good proposal.

Faulk >> Hamilton
Gaudreau >> Skinner

Faulk is a better defence man than Hamilton, now and in the future. That's not a knock on Hamilton at all.

 

[DaveG]

Value wise, it's quite a good proposal.

Faulk >> Hamilton
Gaudreau >> Skinner

Faulk is a better defence man than Hamilton, now and in the future. That's not a knock on Hamilton at all.

Yep, it's just not a proposal that makes sense. Not really for the Canes as they're not at a point yet where they can move on from Faulk on the right on D. And definitely not from the Flames perspective since they need offense just as badly as Carolina, and they have a glut of talent on D just like Carolina.

There aren't many worse trading partners in the league then the Flames and Canes right now from the standpoint that neither really has an excess of what the other needs, and both have an excess of what the other already has.

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Value wise, it's quite a good proposal.

Faulk >> Hamilton
Gaudreau >> Skinner

Faulk is a better defence man than Hamilton, now and in the future. That's not a knock on Hamilton at all.

Two things are missing here that makes it a bad deal for Calgary.

Gaudreau is the best player in the deal with the best chance to be a superstar.

Flames don't need Faulk.

 

[GoldiFox]

Two things are missing here that makes it a bad deal for Calgary.

Gaudreau is the best player in the deal with the best chance to be a superstar.

Flames don't need Faulk.

Both teams don't need defense and both teams need more scoring. For the same reason the Canes would easily turn down a deal based around Skinner and Hamilton. Terrible trading partners.

 

[MrGameAndWatch]

Calgary slams the phone.

 

[Cane mutiny]

Calgary slams the phone.

What? It was Calgary making the call, not CAR.

 

[Lunatik]

What? It was Calgary making the call, not CAR.

Look at the username of the OP, now tell me it is Calgary suggesting this.

 

[Major Happy*]

What? It was Calgary making the call, not CAR.

learn2read

 

[Reinhart]

I know that the Flames got Hamilton on the cheap, but that doesn't mean Hamilton sucks suddenly.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122868

That is a damn fine start to a hockey career, and is only 23. Faulk is a damn fine player too - and Carolina is definitely lucky to have him - but the way people are talking about Hamilton is like he is already a fully developed underwhelming and overpaid defencemen. He is signed to a nice contract, had a rough first month on his new team and still achieved a new high on goals and points, while playing MUCH improved defence.

 

[Roboturner913]

Look at the username of the OP, now tell me it is Calgary suggesting this.

same province, close enough

 

[Major Happy*]

same province, close enough

Yea, totally a rival teams poster making the thread.

 

[Roboturner913]

all Albertans look alike to me

 

[GoldiFox]

I know that the Flames got Hamilton on the cheap, but that doesn't mean Hamilton sucks suddenly.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=122868

That is a damn fine start to a hockey career, and is only 23. Faulk is a damn fine player too - and Carolina is definitely lucky to have him - but the way people are talking about Hamilton is like he is already a fully developed underwhelming and overpaid defencemen. He is signed to a nice contract, had a rough first month on his new team and still achieved a new high on goals and points, while playing MUCH improved defence.

Who is saying he sucks? Many people on here are saying he is more valuable than a 30 goal winger.

The fact that he isn't close to being on the same level as Faulk doesn't mean he sucks.

 

[StormCast]

Who is saying he sucks? Many people on here are saying he is more valuable than a 30 goal winger.

The fact that he isn't close to being on the same level as Faulk doesn't mean he sucks.

Well, he's one of the very best ginger RHD's in the NHL, so there's that.

 

[Haatley]

Value wise, it's quite a good proposal.

Faulk >> Hamilton
Gaudreau >> Skinner

Faulk is a better defence man than Hamilton, now and in the future. That's not a knock on Hamilton at all.

But Gaudreau>>Faulk
And Hamilton>Skinner

So it isnt fair. Carolina needs to add something significant for this to be close to fair value.

 

[tarheelhockey]

But Gaudreau>>Faulk
And Hamilton>Skinner

So it isnt fair. Carolina needs to add something significant for this to be close to fair value.

This assessment is incorrect.

 

[Not So Mighty]

Carolina would decline easily. Faulk is so important to their team, they would not give him AND Skinner for a small winger and an average defencemen. Also, the flames don't need Faulk. They already have Brodie and Girodano. I think both teams decline.

Reducing Gaudreau and his undeniable value to simply being a "small winger" really takes a lot away from your otherwise valid points. He's almost a PPG player. You're right about Carolina denying the trade (because they are not going to give up Faulk). You don't have to act like Gaudreau is nothing special to prove that. He's kind of a big deal.

 

[blankall]

This assessment is incorrect.

It's more like Gaudreau > Faulk
Hamilton >> Skinner

If people are going to say that Faulk carries more value due to his position, than the same can be said of Hamilton.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

It's more like Gaudreau > Faulk
Hamilton >> Skinner

If people are going to say that Faulk carries more value due to his position, than the same can be said of Hamilton.

Gaudreau >> Faulk > Hamilton* >>>> Skinner


*right now. But Hamilton is a developmental year behind Faulk and the gap is vastly overstated because of the style the Hurricanes play and its natural role in sheltering defensemen.

 

[GoldiFox]

Gaudreau >> Faulk > Hamilton* >>>> Skinner


*right now. But Hamilton is a developmental year behind Faulk and the gap is vastly overstated because of the style the Hurricanes play and its natural role in sheltering defensemen.

The only line of logic which dictates that "Hamilton >>>> Skinner" is that Defenseman are worth way more than wingers in today's NHL. That same logic would also dictate that Faulk is worth more than Gaudreau. Can't have it both ways.

I see a lot of complaining about underrating Gaudreau in this thread (which he is being underrated). However, 24 year old, 30-goal scoring Skinner is also being highly underrated here by Calgary fans.

Also... Many lolz about Faulk being "sheltered". Pretty clear you haven't watched many Hurricanes games. Faulk might be the most un-sheltered player in the league. He gets tough assignments piled on him with Ron "Definitely not a 1st pairing D" Hainsey playing next to him.