Confirmed with Link: CAR Acquires Patrick Marleau along with 2020 1st (conditional) and 2020 7th for 2020 6th

[Navin R Slavin]

It really is fascinating watching the org play chess. We've been used to the org playing checkers for so long.

 

[Lempo]

Just a quick glance at capfriendly shows Calgary has had 5 buyouts since 2014.

There was option for compliance buyouts when the CBA came in force. Were they in 2013-14?

 

[Anton Babchuk]

11.18 Ordinary Course Buy-Outs Outside the Regular Period. Clubs shall have the right to exercise Ordinary Course Buy-Outs outside the regular period for Ordinary Course Buy-Outs in accordance with Paragraph 13(c)(ii) of the SPC. Each Club shall be limited to no more than three (3) such Buy-Outs outside the regular period over the term of this Agreement pursuant to Paragraph 13 of the SPC. (plus some text)

that's outside the regular period. we're inside the regular period right now.

he was saying that we couldn't buy out both darling and marleau since we already had two buyouts. clearly we can buy them both out.

 

[dogbazinho]

Why again do we need to buy a player out that refuses to play?

 

[A Star is Burns]

There was option for compliance buyouts when the CBA came in force. Were they in 2013-14?

4 were 2016 or later, but I see cap hits, so I don't think compliance for any

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

They are going to buy him out.

Right. Which also doesn’t make us any better now. Just bailed out Toronto who doesn’t give AF about picks.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Man, some just complain about anything and everything

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It really is fascinating watching the org play chess. We've been used to the org playing checkers for so long.

New Canes front office and their strategy of stockpiling picks in the 1st and 2nd rounds reminds me of the old Sixers front office under Sam Hinkie, except the team is already good.

 

[vorbis]

I want the pick to be top 10 next year so we can spend a year rooting against Toronto and their unprotected 2021 pick.

rooting against Toronto sports teams is like my 4th most favorite thing about living here

 

[Lempo]

that's outside the regular period. we're inside the regular period right now.

he was saying that we couldn't buy out both darling and marleau since we already had two buyouts. clearly we can buy them both out.

Dammit. Correct. The CBA article and SPC 13(c)(ii) is about the after-arbitration buyouts. Then there's no limit.

 

[Tryamw]

Dammit. Correct. The CBA article and SPC 13(c)(ii) is about the after-arbitration buyouts. Then there's no limit.

We "like" you anyway...

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Why again do we need to buy a player out that refuses to play?

I mean, the Canes could try to force him to play, but that would cost them $6M in real money. That's a lot of money to pay for a 40-year-old guy who very visibly doesn't want to be there.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Why again do we need to buy a player out that refuses to play?

It's an interesting point, but IMO, we shouldn't challenge it in this instance. Marleau had a complete NMC and fully controlled where he wanted to go. There's no way he approves this trade, from which we clearly benefited, if we were not going to buy him out.

Another point, though: if Marleau only wanted to play in San Jose this season, he shouldn't have signed a three-year contract with Toronto two seasons ago.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Why again do we need to buy a player out that refuses to play?

To not piss off one of the most respected members of the NHLPA for no reason.

 

[Lempo]

4 were 2016 or later, but I see cap hits, so I don't think compliance for any

Compliance buyouts was only for 13-14 when the new CBA was rolled in.

 

[Tryamw]

I've heard we'll ask if he'll play for us then if no. (Expected) proceed with the buyout. Which is a bit nicer of a way to talk to a player then just BTW you are bought out.

 

[Lempo]

We "like" you anyway...

That's all that matters.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Right. Which also doesn’t make us any better now. Just bailed out Toronto who doesn’t give AF about picks.

They got a 1st round pick, which is an asset for Tom Dundon’s $ and nothing else. And this somehow bothers you because they aren’t better today? You understand assets can be used to improve the team at any time right?

 

[My Special Purpose]

I mean, the Canes could try to force him to play, but that would cost them $6M in real money. That's a lot of money to pay for a 40-year-old guy who very visibly doesn't want to be there.

Small correction: he's only owed $4,125,000 in real money ($3 million signing bonus, $1.25 million salary) next season, and we only save $416,667 by buying him out. It would really only cost us $416,667 to try to force him to play.

 

[jiitu]

going to guess:

Faulk trade
Ned signing
Darling buyout

This is definitely the thing. Canes are actually not such far away the cap ceiling after signing a Aho, decent 1st goalie, captain and rest needed. At least if still wanting to keep Brock and third leg instead of some ELCers who both obviously wants bit more. My first thought of this deal was actually not happy. But if Faulk is gone anyway after new negotiations...why not.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Small correction: he's only owed $4,125,000 in real money ($3 million signing bonus, $1.25 million salary) next season, and we only save $416,667 by buying him out. It would really only cost us $416,667 to try to force him to play.

Fair enough. It's still a bad idea to force a veteran to play when he doesn't want to play. It's not like the almost-fully-depreciated asset has that much value left to squeeze out.

 

[Svechhammer]

I hate this deal. The only way we should have taken on Marleau is to get better now. Not ask him to take away a roster spot from a good young player.

Might be insurance for an offer sheet but I doubt it.

2 ways of thinking here.

1- This helps us a few years down the line. Which could be a boost right when our current young core is hitting their peak and an influx of young high talented first round picks could push us way over the top in contention.

2- we aren't done. We have stockpiled picks and are looking to package them for a great player who will help out next year. Maybe Faulk, 2020 Tor 1st and 2 of today's 2nd rounders for a legit 1st line winger.

 

[Lempo]

They got a 1st round pick, which is an asset for Tom Dundon’s $ and nothing else. And this somehow bothers you because they aren’t better today? You understand assets can be used to improve the team at any time right?

 

[Ole Gil]

There must have been some handshake in place between Marleau and the Canes for him to waive the NTC. That's not something you reneg on. They can make a pitch and try to change his mind, but the idea of screwing him over is pretty awful.

 

[Roman Yoshi]

I like this for the Canes.