Post-Game Talk: CAPTAIN MORGAN!!! | LEAFS WIN 4-3 IN OVERTIME

[Racer88]

Because one team had carte blanche to run roughshod over the other team because reasons, while the other team was skating on eggshells KNOWING the refs were looking for anything ticky tacky to call against them.

Any thoughts on how to combat that?

A new league commissioner is about the only thing that comes to my mind

 

[ULF_55]

Did they offer to send Disney along at the same time?

Florida isn't exactly a state that's getting many good reviews today.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I think it comes down to sneakiness. TB and Boston play dirty all year long...they know how to hit someone "accidentally on purpose" and make it look like nothing. We don't play that game very often and don't know where the line is to not go over it and we look blatant when we do it. There is a simple fix...get them to be meaner during the season and practice your accidental hits and cheap shots.

Interesting. Can't say this really appeals to me but then again, I do want to win the cup and if that's what it takes ... food for thought.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Imagine this, their are Tampa fans who seriously believe the refs favoured Toronto that game.

Not surprising. In every game in every sport there are fans on both teams who think the officials favoured the other team.

I'm sure there are Tampa fans saying "Imagine this, their are Toronto fans who seriously believe the refs favoured Tampa that game."

 

[Teeder Keon]

It’s all good
The Leafs and Leafs Nation should use all of this bullshit regarding the Refs and the disrespect from the opposing coach and other players and league to rally around it all and turn it harness it as a war cry for battle .
It’s going to be all that much sweeter …
Theres nothing better than to overcome obstacles on your way to fulfilling your destiny ..
Forget about the outside noise , refs , league other team , dirty plays on and on and on
Forget it all ..
Use it !!!
Give it back 10 fold and the sweetness will be wondrous in the end ..
Let’s stop complaining about the refs and support our team …
GLG GLG GLG

 

[HellasLEAF]

Florida is the armpit of the US. I was told this by my American friends/cousins so..

Just the messenger here.

 

[Dekes For Days]

NHL.com says he played 20:33 at even strength. Who did he play the other 6:06 with?

He played 19:02 at 5v5. Even strength includes his 6v5 and 4v4 time.

He played 7:09 with Tavares and Kerfoot. (positive xGF%)
He played 2:45 with Tavares and Knies. (positive xGF%)
He played 1:49 with Tavares and Marner. (negative xGF%)
He played 1:35 with Tavares and O'Rielly. (positive xGF%)
He played 1:14 with O'Rielly and Knies. (negative xGF%)
He played 1:04 with Matthews and Jarnkrok (neutral xGF%)
He played 0:54 with Matthews and Marner. (neutral xGF%)
He played 0:37 with Kerfoot and Marner. (negative xGF%)
He played 0:36 with Matthews and Knies. (positive xGF%)
He played 0:28 with Tavares and Lafferty. (negative xGF%)
He played 0:14 with Tavares and Acciari. (neutral xGF%)

Tavares' man scored the first, and Tavares lost the draw which directly led to the third.

On the first goal, the goal-scorer was not Tavares' man. It was Nylander's.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not actually serious when trying to blame Tavares for the second goal because he lost a draw that had nothing to do with it.

 

[kb]

"Playoff hockey" baby!!!

 

[Dekes For Days]

@Dekes For Days he's kinda got you with this one bro

No, he really doesn't. Already responded to:

Yes, says me, the guy who has been saying that looking exclusively at discrepancies in small sample playoff point totals can be deceiving for years, while the people now blasting the playoff leading scorer previously claimed that points are all that matter and Marner was trash because his point totals didn't live up to their expectations for reasons that they'll conveniently ignore.

Marner consistently brings it in the playoffs, and his underlying metrics are excellent as well. There are people here who didn't want to hear it and claimed points were perfectly representative when the points underrepresented Marner, but now are all too happy to talk about how the points are currently overrepresenting Marner. We all want 16 wins, not 4, and Marner will be a big part of that, not a "cause for concern".

 

[Fonzieleaf]

Didn't deserve the win but glad we did. ROR was worth every asset spent to acquire him.

Knies has been a hell of a player for us. Notice how he moved up the lineup later in the game.

 

[therealkoho]

They played their way out of trouble more than a few times, there were some glaring errors in their own zone they were forced to overcome. Maybe they were making those mistakes because of the constant physicality and heavy contact, maybe? They pushed back, and kept pushing back, they made some big hits themselves, the kind of hits that take a lot of starch out of the guys getting hit and the kind of hits that echo in the players psyche for a couple of days. There's no doubt they were outplayed and outshot, but they weren't outskated or outworked. Tampa paid double for everything they got.

My 3.

1. O'Reilly not just for the winning goal but for the opening goal as well, lot's of great defensive play, constantly talking on the ice and on the bench, that Knies had his best game as a pro isn't by accident. ROR ushered him through the last game and this, Knies confidence must be at an all time high, imagine yourself getting to play with a centre who walks the walk every shift.

2. MM I know it's only 3 games, but MM leads all playoff scorers, he's driving his line 5v5, he's driving the PP and while doing all this he's not really playing his best hockey, can't wait until that happens!

3. AM34 Not because of working himself free of Raddysh for the tip goal, not because of the big hits he's been dishing out and also taking to make plays but for the phuqueU fight back to Stamkos'. There was a time not to long ago he would of just gave the other guy that stupid smile and back away. Now there's a chance he might just bust you in the chops, better yet guys may try to goad him and get themselves penalties or better yet make it open season on the Lightning elite.

Sammy, Mo, Justin, Cookie, Knies, JT all played very well and were huge contributors to the win.

On to the next

GLG

 

[authentic]

I think it comes down to sneakiness. TB and Boston play dirty all year long...they know how to hit someone "accidentally on purpose" and make it look like nothing. We don't play that game very often and don't know where the line is to not go over it and we look blatant when we do it. There is a simple fix...get them to be meaner during the season and practice your accidental hits and cheap shots.

Honestly it's a lousy way to play though and embarrassing for a league that rewards you for it. I don't buy that half of their crap goes unnoticed by the officials either.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I keep seeing people blaming Nylander's backcheck for their first goal, but that's straight up not his guy unless three things happen: Tavares isn't covering his man (he wasnt), Rielly loses F1 (he did), and the other defenseman has to leave his position on F2 to cover Rielly's mistake (he did).

Tavares is not covering the center at that moment, because that's not his man at that moment. He had been in on the forecheck, and then was attacking the puck carrier as the highest forward. Nylander also comes up to pressure the puck carrier, and then realizes Tavares has it, does a little twirl at center ice, and then glides at the blueline and reacts late as Cirelli skates past him. There are usually many things that come together to create a goal, and it is not all on Nylander, but he was purposeless, out of position, and slow to react out there in that moment and it heavily contributed to the goal against.

 

[kb]

LMAO..that’s gotta be the dumbest chirp! ‘Go back to Canada’ oohh burn lol. Your captain is Canadian! Not to mention a good chunk of your team.

I mean....at the end of the day, we are only cheering for laundry.

 

[stats1]

You can’t say stuff like we’re in trouble because we somehow won in spite of had we played. I’m the playoffs there are no trends… each game is different. You can’t look at last night and say boy we’re in trouble… we might come out flying tomorrow and kick their ass. Only thing that matters is we’re up 2-1. Tomorrow is a fresh start

 

[Morgs]

Tavares is not covering the center at that moment, because that's not his man at that moment. He had been in on the forecheck, and then was attacking the puck carrier as the highest forward. Nylander also comes up to pressure the puck carrier, and then realizes Tavares has it, does a little twirl at center ice, and then glides at the blueline and reacts late as Cirelli skates past him. There are usually many things that come together to create a goal, and it is not all on Nylander, but he was purposeless, out of position, and slow to react out there in that moment and it heavily contributed to the goal against.

And again, it wasn't his man even with Tavares not covering because F2 is supposed to be covered by D2. He was slow to the play and he's not blameless, but if Rielly didn't get beat so easily and Schenn(?) wasn't forced to leave his position we wouldn't be talking about it at all. His job is 3F covering for JT, and in a split second it changed to 2F and he was too far away.

I'd put about as much blame on Will as I do Schenn because the rotation is what killed the play. Rielly just plain can't get beat like that.

 

[Warden of the North]

Didn’t deserve the W

The league handed Tampa the series on a golden platter last year in game 6, quite frankly IDGAF if we won last night and didn't exactly deserve it.

 

[egd27]

Because one team had carte blanche to run roughshod over the other team because reasons, while the other team was skating on eggshells KNOWING the refs were looking for anything ticky tacky to call against them.

Any thoughts on how to combat that?

 

[notDatsyuk]

On the first goal, the goal-scorer was not Tavares' man. It was Nylander's.
I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're not actually serious when trying to blame Tavares for the second goal because he lost a draw that had nothing to do with it.

On the first goal, was Cirelli playing left wing, or was Nylander playing centre?

Not blaming Tavares, just pointing out that he lost the draw that directly led to the goal.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

 

[authentic]

Not surprising. In every game in every sport there are fans on both teams who think the officials favoured the other team.

I'm sure there are Tampa fans saying "Imagine this, their are Toronto fans who seriously believe the refs favoured Tampa that game."

I know, but my point is they're wrong, and yes they think the same about what I'm saying

 

[RealisticLeaf55]

I have watched the game 3 highlights a shameful amount of times. Still love it every replay. ROR was hands down the most impactful TDL move so far amongst any team.

 

[3headeddragon]

I wouldn't mind someone like John Tavares feed him his lunch. Captain to captain chat about doing things the wrong way to start that with Matthews. Or just have Schenn launch him into outer space like a Space X rocket.

Ooooooo....... rapid disassembly.

 

[egd27]

Hey Coop.......

control or influence (a person or situation) cleverly, unfairly, or unscrupulously.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Keefe just announced Game 4 lineup decisions so far:

WOW

Simmonds on the first shift is huge.

The rest of the lineup so far is bread and butter Keefe.

Hopefully Matthews gets slotted in somewhere.