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Prospect Info: Caps Top Prospects General Discussion Thread Vol. 2 - 2021-22

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I get that the early returns on Miro are very promising, but it's been 4 games in the MHL. Might need to pump the brakes on the hype train a bit. He's actually playing in a lower league than he was last year (the VHL). For context, in the handful of games that Kuznetsov played in the MHL, he was nearly a 2PPG player (31 points in 17 games spread across ages 17-19, the MHL didn't exist when he was younger than that). Heck, even Orlov put up 13 points in 8 games in the MHL across his age 18-19 seasons. Nikita Gusev had 192 points in 120 MHL games, and he didn't end up working out as an NHLer. The best example for hope would be Nikita Kucherov, who had plenty of MHL time and not a lot of KHL time, but even he had one season in the Q (and dominated the WJHC) before joining the NHL ranks. Kucherov had 43 points in 23 MHL games in his D+1 season.

None of this is to say Miro is bad or Miro won't pan out. Just that it's awfully early to start getting excited, and certainly too early to envision him on an NHL 1st line. 1st line NHL talents should be absolutely dunking on the competition in the MHL, but unfortunately so do some players who arent 1st line talents.
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what makes it a little exciting is watching him do it after losing a lot of development time to illness and taking so long to be cleared to play. If that's shaking the rust off in competitive play it's not out of line to be sitting up and paying a little attention
 

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Miro looks like a steal for the Caps. He was considered a top talent before cancer and looks like hes back in shape and proving he is still a top talent after beating the illness. Might be a top end talent that the Caps really need.

What do people think about Lapierre? Looks like he got a decent start with 10 points in 12 games for Hershey. At the same time he isnt producing anymore than McMichael did in Hershey one year earlier. Might play a better overall game, but at best I think he is a 2nd line center. Doesnt look like he has the production of a 1st line C.

First year after draft:
McM OHL - 52 games 47 goals, 55 assists for 102 points
Lapierre - QMJHL 21 games 8 goals, 23 assists for 31 points

Second year:
McM AHL - 33 games, 14 goals, 13 assists for 27 points
Lapierre QMJHL - 40 games, 21 goals, 30 assists for 51 points

Third year:
McM NHL - 68 games, 9 goals, 9 assists for 18 points
Lapierre AHL - 12 games, 3 goals, 7 assists for 10 points

McMichael graduated one year earlier to the AHL and to the NHL. While this year he havent really got much of a chance in the NHL. Might be the coach or might be his play in training.
 
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After consulting myself, we've decided that my only untouchables are the Russians and Future American Hockey Hero Ryan Chelsey. I'd prefer to keep Iorio and Lapierre, but would part with one or both if it was for a cost-controlled good piece. I don't know how much either moves the needle league-wide, however.

This leaves little attractive trade bait, unfortunately. And I don't see the Caps sending out a vet at the moment.
 
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Marshall said:
After consulting myself, we've decided that my only untouchables are the Russians and Future American Hockey Hero Ryan Chelsey. I'd prefer to keep Iorio and Lapierre, but would part with one or both if it was for a cost-controlled good piece. I don't know how much either moves the needle league-wide, however.

This leaves little attractive trade bait, unfortunately. And I don't see the Caps sending out a vet at the moment.
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you talking spending futures? It's over dawg!

Caps aren't competing for a cup. Build for the future or be stuck in mediocrity.
 
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Kuz said:
Miro looks like a steal for the Caps. He was considered a top talent before cancer and looks like hes back in shape and proving he is still a top talent after beating the illness. Might be a top end talent that the Caps really need.

What do people think about Lapierre? Looks like he got a decent start with 10 points in 12 games for Hershey. At the same time he isnt producing anymore than McMichael did in Hershey one year earlier. Might play a better overall game, but at best I think he is a 2nd line center. Doesnt look like he has the production of a 1st line C.

First year after draft:
McM OHL - 52 games 47 goals, 55 assists for 102 points
Lapierre - QMJHL 21 games 8 goals, 23 assists for 31 points

Second year:
McM AHL - 33 games, 14 goals, 13 assists for 27 points
Lapierre QMJHL - 40 games, 21 goals, 30 assists for 51 points

Third year:
McM NHL - 68 games, 9 goals, 9 assists for 18 points
Lapierre AHL - 12 games, 3 goals, 7 assists for 10 points

McMichael graduated one year earlier to the AHL and to the NHL. While this year he havent really got much of a chance in the NHL. Might be the coach or might be his play in training.
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Lapierre is also interesting as someone who fell in his draft year but had a top 10 potential at one point, and then lost a lot of development time to the pandemic.

I think if he pans out he'll do better than his expectations, but he's still very boom or bust and not super likely to find a dependable middle/bottom 6 role.
 
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you talking spending futures? It's over dawg!

Caps aren't competing for a cup. Build for the future or be stuck in mediocrity.
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100%. The days of dropping futures should be over for us, for now. I doubt we can put a package together to get the kind of player that would be an exception to that -- young, established star that has enough NHL future ahead of him to outlive our rebuild by several years. We don't have the assets to outbid the rest of the league for a guy like that.
 
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We could in theory outbid a team but it would require a massive overpay of assets, and we are not in position to give up loads of futures for someone who might not even push the needle far enough
 
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Chesley taking on #3 ranked Michigan (albeit minus Fantilli) on Big Ten Network currently. Have to say I wasn't expecting Chesley to be rocking #71.
 
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Kuz said:
Miro looks like a steal for the Caps. He was considered a top talent before cancer and looks like hes back in shape and proving he is still a top talent after beating the illness. Might be a top end talent that the Caps really need.

What do people think about Lapierre? Looks like he got a decent start with 10 points in 12 games for Hershey. At the same time he isnt producing anymore than McMichael did in Hershey one year earlier. Might play a better overall game, but at best I think he is a 2nd line center. Doesnt look like he has the production of a 1st line C.

First year after draft:
McM OHL - 52 games 47 goals, 55 assists for 102 points
Lapierre - QMJHL 21 games 8 goals, 23 assists for 31 points

Second year:
McM AHL - 33 games, 14 goals, 13 assists for 27 points
Lapierre QMJHL - 40 games, 21 goals, 30 assists for 51 points

Third year:
McM NHL - 68 games, 9 goals, 9 assists for 18 points
Lapierre AHL - 12 games, 3 goals, 7 assists for 10 points

McMichael graduated one year earlier to the AHL and to the NHL. While this year he havent really got much of a chance in the NHL. Might be the coach or might be his play in training.
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I think the difference is that Lapierre will get a more traditional development path. He missed a lot of games in Juniors. Will get a full year in Hershey this year and probably next year with call-up opportunities. We had to force McMichael too quickly because of injuries on Caps. His regression this year is puzzling and now we have to go backwards to before we can move forward. It’s why caps like to bake (over bake) their prospect longer. both McMichall and Lapierre are exciting prospects… neither ready for the NHL this year.
 
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SecretaryofDefense5 said:
Happy he was called up to the VHL. He needed some better competition.
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Next games for Miro are Saturday and Monday.

Got a chance to watch the replay of the Rays game from last Sunday. Stevenson was 37/38 in a 3-1 win. Very solid outing. He definitely looks like he's got all the tools and the size to make it to the next level sooner rather than later but with the way Shepherd is playing in Hershey can they really take games away from him? Going to take an injury to Fucale or Shepherd to see Stevenson in the AHL this year unless one of them really falls off a cliff or Hershey has nothing left to play for/can't improve their playoff seed.
 
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Why'd he get sent back to the MHL...? Or is he playing in both for some reason?
 
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