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Prospect Info: Caps Top Prospects General Discussion Thread Vol. 2 - 2021-22

Langway said:
I think he's going top ten. High floor, physically mature, very competitive. Polished interview. Leadership potential. There's maybe some question about pure offensive upside but he gets the details of positional/possession play. Maybe in a more stacked draft he'd get bypassed in favor of some snipers but I don't think this draft meets that. He's a playoff style player.

Same with Gauthier, who I'm not quite as high on as talk that he may even go as high as 4. I don't think his instincts are as routinely solid but he's got size at center and some real finishing. Korchinski is probably knocking on that tpo ten door as well. It's Nazar and perhaps Geekie that may slide a bit but still not terribly far. You never know but that's my sense. I could see Detroit as a strong fit for Kasper.
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Agreed. He seems like your typical Red Wings pick. If they don't pick him though and Sabres pass on him, he's a strong trade-up candidate.
 
SherVaughn30 said:
When do the Caps rights on him expire?
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AlexBrovechkin8 said:
I think at the end of this next season. Someone might have proved me wrong already and said that we have him for two years but I am somewhat confident he’s a UFA at the beginning of the next league year.
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CapFriendly says August 15 2023.

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I wonder if Savoie ends up sliding a bit. I don't think he's in that top tier of Wright, Cooley, Slaf, and Nemec. And then with the risers, he could find himself outside the top 10. I agree on Kasper, someone like Buffalo or Detroit should get him. Korchinski and Gauthier also guys who may go top 10.
 
trick9 said:
Agreed. He seems like your typical Red Wings pick. If they don't pick him though and Sabres pass on him, he's a strong trade-up candidate.
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I think the question is realistically how high could they move up, though. If it's just 46 added maybe only to something like 13-14. That's probably not early enough for him. It may be enough for perhaps Nazar if he slides or MIntyukov/Mateychuk. Whether that's desirable depends in part on how they view the 46 range. It may not be amazing but I don't know that the value jump from 13-14 is vast.

theathletic.com

Scott Wheeler's final ranking of the 2022 NHL Draft's top 100 prospects

Scott Wheeler's final ranking for the 2022 NHL Draft class is made up of 68 forwards, 32 defencemen and zero goalies.
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This seems like more of a traditional Pronman rankinng, In his scouting article he talks about player situations and with both Howard & McGroarty it's worth wondering if their value wasn't maxed out playing with the NTDP. Not that they aren't strong prospects but if they were playing for a USHL or OHL club how may they be viewed? You can only judge what's in front of you but it's worth considering. IMO they'd both be considered more late first round talents and the same goes for Hutson & Casey (albeit more in the second round range). The NTDP really puts guys through the paces, esp. in training, and it is a relative advantage to most programs. Ultimately that maturation advantage may decline relative to peers and such a strong team relative to most can draw less harsh attention to player weaknesses. Whereas if a guy were to be forced into a bigger role on a weaker team how might they be viewed differently? Something to chew on anyway.

I don't think Savoie, Kemell or Lekkerimaki slide too far. Geekie maybe could if teams are hesitant of his skating, though you'd think the rise in centers should still lead to him going fairly early. Someone will take the risk on his size/skill combo and covet the upside.
 
Langway said:
Snively seems to have a good shot for sure. Hard to handicap without knowing the status of Backstrom & Hagelin, whether they move Eller and what's done in free agency or other trades. Lapierre also could put himself in the mix.

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How high is Cooley projected to be picked in the draft?
 
SherVaughn30 said:
How high is Cooley projected to be picked in the draft?
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I think every ranking has him between #2 and #4. Would take a Filip Forsberg-esque drop for him even to be available in the range where the Caps could trade up using #46.
 
Pronman mock up this morning has Yurov falling to (and being selected by) the Caps. Miroshnichenko also falls to Buffalo at 28.

I'll personally be shocked if both are available at 20.


theathletic.com

Corey Pronman's NHL Mock Draft 2.0: Picks and analysis for the first round

Corey Pronman takes another shot at projecting how the first round could play out in a few weeks in Montreal.
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Pronman has some industry sources so his stabs are somewhat informed, if informally and more generally. I wouldn't be too shocked if it happens. While I'm sure they've been made available to meet over Zoom it's not the same as meeting in person. And there are some question marks with both when it comes to production against men in the KHL/VHL, even if opportunity was limited. Add in the geopolitical picture and it needs to be both a fairly daring team and one where they're viewed as the clear BPA. Otherwise many teams will opt elsewhere.

Bichsel at 13 is surprising over both Mintyukov/Mateychuk. Better for the Caps should that happen. Firkus is curiously absent in these from him and I still expect he sneaks in. Perhaps to Toronto. Banking on his upside seems far more sensible compared to Gaucher/Bystedt. Mesar & Odelius are also first rounders IMO.

This further backs up my sense that it should largely come down to Yurov/Kulich/McGroarty and I'd put them in that order.
 
FWIW, Danila Yurov is the top ranked player in HockeyProspectings model for Star probability and top 5 for NHLer probability. It ranks prospects based on NHLe (NHL equivalent point production) and projects the likelihood of a player becoming NHLers and the likelihood of the player becoming a star producer.

It's a fairly useful tool, even though the rankings it spits out can be a little all over the place. But it's pretty good at the top of the draft. They had Tarasenko #1, Panarin in the top 10, Kucherov top 3, Kaprisov in the top 30. The model also successfully identified some mid round guys that ended up being quite productive like Bryan Rust and Conor Garland. And what ended up being a pretty bad 2012 first round, they had Hertl at 1.

This year? For NHLer likelihood rankings for top 10 are Nemec, Cooley, Wright, Yurov, Hutson, Mateychuk, Savoie, Korchinski, Duda, and Geekie

For Star likelihood, it's Yurov, Nemec, Hutson, Mateychuk, Wright, Cooley, Savoie, Howard, Lekkerimaki, Kemell
 
pman25 said:
FWIW, Danila Yurov is the top ranked player in HockeyProspectings model for Star probability and top 5 for NHLer probability. It ranks prospects based on NHLe (NHL equivalent point production) and projects the likelihood of a player becoming NHLers and the likelihood of the player becoming a star producer.

It's a fairly useful tool, even though the rankings it spits out can be a little all over the place. But it's pretty good at the top of the draft. They had Tarasenko #1, Panarin in the top 10, Kucherov top 3, Kaprisov in the top 30. The model also successfully identified some mid round guys that ended up being quite productive like Bryan Rust and Conor Garland. And what ended up being a pretty bad 2012 first round, they had Hertl at 1.

This year? For NHLer likelihood rankings for top 10 are Nemec, Cooley, Wright, Yurov, Hutson, Mateychuk, Savoie, Korchinski, Duda, and Geekie

For Star likelihood, it's Yurov, Nemec, Hutson, Mateychuk, Wright, Cooley, Savoie, Howard, Lekkerimaki, Kemell
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Do you have a link to this? Sounds pretty interesting.
 
AlexBrovechkin8 said:
Do you have a link to this? Sounds pretty interesting.
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You have to pay, it's only like a one time $25 payment and you get access to all prior years and future years and can follow player development Hockey Prospecting

OR just follow ByronMBader on twitter. He usually posts a lot of player profiles and comparable statistical profiles leading up to the draft. For instance, here's Lane Hutson

 
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Mock 2022 NHL Draft: Wright, Slafkovsky, Cooley remain top three picks | NHL.com

NHL.com experts divided starting with Senators at No. 7 between Kemell, Savoie
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20. Washington Capitals

Kimelman -- Nazar: Nazar is an explosive skater, and his speed allows him to pull away from defensemen, or to use it as a weapon to create space for himself. With Nicklas Backstrom's future uncertain, adding depth at center could be a direction the Capitals look.

Morreale -- Owen Beck, C, Mississauga (OHL): The Capitals could use some shut-down centers and Beck fits the bill. He tied for fifth among OHL rookies with 51 points (21 goals, 30 assists) in 68 games, and was first in voting for best on face-offs in a poll of OHL Eastern Conference coaches after he finished second in the league in face-off winning percentage (60.6 percent; minimum 400 face-offs). He might be one of the most consistent players in this year's draft class.
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A bit early for Beck, esp. over Yurov & Kulich. I do like him over his teammate DBB and have him in the first round but toward the end.
 
Seems pie-in-the-sky to expect Nazar to drop to us, but would be a great pick. Doesn't really have the size Mac looks for, but would be a huge boost in team speed.
 


If anyone wants me to post a card, let me know. I shell out the big bucks to Jfresh player cards. This tool has 2022 draft prospects and previously drafted prospects as well. Very similar to the Byron Bader model i referenced above. Although some notable differences in how the models work as some players ranked highly by Bader didn't get the same love by Jfresh, not sure why
 
So...Owen Pickering. Which, somewhat like other more recent WHL first round d-men picks of theirs, may not be so safe at the end of the day anyway. They need a substantial swing with that pick or else why bother? Just use it in a trade if they're going to use it on something modest. That's not to say they need to force a Firkus or Howard pick over Yurov in an attempt at more pure offensive upside or something. But they need to be very bullish or else they should either trade down or out.

They seem to be right near the tail-end of the secondary tier group and with that should have a very good idea of the most likely three to four options that will be available to them. I would hope that conventional for them is not the state of affairs at any point this off-season, starting with the draft. They can't afford it. If that's what they revert back to they'll really run the risk of being left behind.
 
Left shot dmen out of the WHL? Gimme Korchinski or Mateychuk. But I'm certain Korchinski is going top 10 at this point.
 
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