Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[SecretaryofDefense5]

At this point it would be dumb to trade mantha as a cap dump and pay for it. Bring him in, play him, see if he rebounds and then dump him at the deadline for a decent pick. If mantha can score 15-20 goals this year I could see someone getting desperate and offering up a late 1st. Even if he doesn't rebound there's no way a contender wouldn't take him as scoring depth for a late round pick with retention. At the deadline you can dump Mantha, Edmondson, NAK and hopefully Patch if he's able to play and will accept a move to a contender with his NMC. Rinse and repeat of last year with hopefully another nice lottery pick. Keep rebuilding.

No. Ovechkin wants to remain competitive. This is not a plan to be competitive.

Someone should tell them.

 

[HTFN]

No. Ovechkin wants to remain competitive. This is not a plan to be competitive.

Someone should tell them.

Yeah, that should work out.

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

I'm not sure if this is legit, or if 32T supercedes it, but maybe we are out in DBC.

We may be better off seeing if Miro can make the team and, if so, how CMM, Protas, and Miro do, along with Kuzy and Mantha, if they are given the bounce back opportunity.

Then, decide at the trade deadline on trades based on what Kuzy and Mantha can return.

Boring, but sets us up for lots of cap space and good reads on the prospect for next summer's UFA/other trades.

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

From what I've read about Miro and his increased size and great shot - and his attitude - I'm thinking he is going to do his best to make the team out of camp. We'll see if he does, but the drive seems to be there.

 

[HTFN]

From what I've read about Miro and his increased size and great shot - and his attitude - I'm thinking he is going to do his best to make the team out of camp. We'll see if he does, but the drive seems to be there.

I wasn't initially informed on his condition outside of the fact that he had one (as in, like, how his weight fluctuated) but this was my hope, that his body would rubberband back to his top 10 looking self, and it's early but it really seems like that's happening. Couldn't be happier for him, and if it's true he's suddenly a real wildcard prospect for the year

 

[um]

At this point it would be dumb to trade mantha as a cap dump and pay for it. Bring him in, play him, see if he rebounds and then dump him at the deadline for a decent pick. If mantha can score 15-20 goals this year I could see someone getting desperate and offering up a late 1st. Even if he doesn't rebound there's no way a contender wouldn't take him as scoring depth for a late round pick with retention. At the deadline you can dump Mantha, Edmondson, NAK and hopefully Patch if he's able to play and will accept a move to a contender with his NMC. Rinse and repeat of last year with hopefully another nice lottery pick. Keep rebuilding.

It’s worth it to ship out Mantha if a top 6 forward is coming back, especially a top line player.

But I agree, don’t dump him for the heck of it.

 

[Hivemind]

The cap space for dumping Mantha is of little benefit at this point, unless we're making a play for Patrick Kane (lol) or Alex DeBrincat.

The freed up roster space for dumping Mantha could be of value, particularly given the influx of additional AHL/NHL tweener-types they've just acquired. There's a lot of bodies contending for only 2 forward spots right now, one of which will vanish once Pacioretty is healthy.

 

[Calicaps]

The cap space for dumping Mantha is of little benefit at this point, unless we're making a play for Patrick Kane (lol) or Alex DeBrincat.

The freed up roster space for dumping Mantha could be of value, particularly given the influx of additional AHL/NHL tweener-types they've just acquired. There's a lot of bodies contending for only 2 forward spots right now, one of which will vanish once Pacioretty is healthy.

Did you mean Kuzy in one of these statements?

 

[Hivemind]

Did you mean Kuzy in one of these statements?

No

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

It’s apparent BMac wants to move one or more players in the top six. It doesn’t sound like he is as high on running it back like some of you have suggested. I imagine he doesn’t want to waste another season. Hard pressed seeing both Mantha and Kuzy back at this point like some are trying to rationalize.

Miro isn’t making the Caps this year. He needs to get use to NA ice and they don’t tend to rush prospects.

 

[Corby78]

It’s apparent BMac wants to move one or more players in the top six. It doesn’t sound like he is as high on running it back like some of you have suggested. I imagine he doesn’t want to waste another season. Hard pressed seeing both Mantha and Kuzy back at this point like some are trying to rationalize.

Miro isn’t making the Caps this year. He needs to get use to NA ice and they don’t tend to rush prospects.

I agree on miro, but I’m very excited to see him in Hershey. Maybe next year we are starting to pencil him in.

 

[CapsJunkie]

paty kane or no

 

[CapsJunkie]

i mean we suck

if he dosnt do something soon

 

[CapsJunkie]

hi kane, how would like to play to years for cheap to assist on the great ones goal

maKE HISTORY

SORRY B MAC IM I BETTER THENYOU

 

[CapsJunkie]

I APPLIED

 

[trick9]

paty kane or no

Does he come in with the sole purpose of whispering into Backstrom's ear that "let's just give up and go golfing instead? Or "my hips felt much better after yesterday when i only did some gardening instead of hockey."

 

[Langway]

Even the lower-end of a DeBrincat extension probably doesn't fit this year if we assume it's Mantha and futures heading out. Nylander's ~$7M also probably won't unless they're burying or including Milano or something. Or banking on initial LTIR use to finesse the numbers a bit but it still needs to be close and it's not clear Pacioretty will be out that long. Or maybe working in a third-party to eat some of the final year to make it work. But you'd have to think Nylander will fetch the biggest return of any of these targets (rightfully so).

Given that structural constraint I'd mostly look at Lindholm or Hanifin as easier swaps given their AAV for next season. Other AAVs that could fit: Nichushkin, Ehlers, Atkinson, Backlund, Garland, Olofsson, Marchment, Dvorak, Arvidsson. Of those it's mainly Backlund or Olofsson that make sense. Some are either weaker fits (Garland, Marchment, Dvorak) or it's not totally clear if they're available (Nichushkin, Ehlers, Atkinson, Arvidsson). Olofsson is younger and they've focused quite a bit on goal-scoring it seems. You wonder if nothing else comes together whether they'd consider a straight swap for him. I probably wouldn't bother. Relying on Mantha to bounce back under Carbery isn't the worst idea and it's not like they're saddled with term. Maybe in-season if it sours or he falls behind Milano (or others) on the depth chart they move on and free up cap room.

The other big swap that could perhaps be made is Kuznetsov for Scheifele, particularly if they'd considered a Duchene swap (as reported). But 92's NTC complicates him being the one to go. They'd need a C like Scheifele back if so and would likely need to add also.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

How drunk are you actually?

Friends don’t let friends drink and HFBoards.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Maybe Nick has found a new hobby to fill his time:

Nicklas Backstrom elated despite finishing last in horse race in Swedish hometown: ‘Got a little dirty, it was very fun’

Nicklas Backstrom is officially a two-sport athlete. On Friday, Backstrom participated in the NHL Trotting Challenge at Gävletravet, a horse-racing track in…

russianmachineneverbreaks.com

 

[SherVaughn30]

So does anyone have any real info on what kind of scheme or philosophy Carbery is going to employ?

I think I read somewhere he emphasizes playing cohesive with 5-man units in all 3 zones and sticking to details. Coming from the Leafs, my guess would be he will have the team playing a higher tempo of hockey than Lavi did.

We already know Carbery adheres to the younger players. I'm really curious how the PP units will be run. Will we get shooters from both sides. Will the PP park big bodies in front of the net(Wilson, Pacorietty and Mantha)? Which assistant will coach winning faceoffs(can't win draws clean every time as the wingers have to do their part too boxing out/battling in the dot).

Mitch Love sounds like he gets to know each of players(this case on D) and finds out their strengths and weaknesses. So to me he won't force a system on the D group like McCarthy did.

I also feel, our D won't be so aggressive which I think will be good for the Kuemper/Lindgren in regard to giving up so many higher danger chances. I hope Love can teach the D group how to properly play against odd man breaks(like a 2-on-1 and 3-on-2's).

What I find interesting, Carbery ran the Leafs PP, but here his responsibilities change being the head coach(obviously). I read the Caps will bring in another assistant to specifically run the PP.

What I'm also curious about, specifically on the PP1 unit, will Carbery continue to have OV shoot clean on the goalie from the point, or will he have a big body player try to screen/tips/rebounds off of OV's shot? I would also like to see if they have OV move around a bit like sneak him in on the right post back door? OV just standing in the circle waiting for passes to one-time or move in closer to the net, is not effective anymore. He looked stiff at times. I'm just wondering if he should knock some lbs. off, so he becomes a bit more nimble within the faster game? Ppl here have pointed out that OV's puck handling has slipped. Age is a factor, but is he playing too upright? Bending the knees a bit more can have a positive effect on puck handling, but it can put more strain on a players back especially when they are in their late 30's.

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

paty kane or no

i mean we suck

if he dosnt do something soon

hi kane, how would like to play to years for cheap to assist on the great ones goal

maKE HISTORY

SORRY B MAC IM I BETTER THENYOU

I APPLIED

My dude and babe, how is your holiday bender going?

 

[LesDiablesRouges]

Hershey-eligible forward depth by age:

Miroshnichenko / 19
Suzdalev / 19
Persson / 19
Lapierre / 21
Trineyev / 21
Hofer / 21
McMichael / 22
Protas / 22
Dubé / 22
Rybinski / 22
Sutter / 23
Malenstyn / 25
Frank / 25
Phillips / 25
Limoges / 25
Snively / 27
Sgarbossa / 30

Even if CMM, Beck, and AP are with the big club, we still have way too many forwards, with many of the youngsters also needing to be in top-six/nine roles and not playing on the fourth line in limited minutes.

You would have to imagine that a couple of moves have to be made, no? Especially with the glut currently on the big club as well.

Persson could possibly be loaned back to Sweden? Trineyev back to the KHL? Suzdalev back to Juniors? Though, I think that he should play in the AHL this year.

Above, we have 17 Hershey-eligible forwards - let me know if I missed any, as of right now.

The ECHL is an option for a couple of players, but would it not be better for Trineyev to be playing in the K, if he is not going to be playing decent minutes in Hershey? Not sure on Hofer.

Did I miss anyone on solely AHL-Hershey deal(s)?

 

[swansonsays]

Hershey-eligible forward depth by age:

Miroshnichenko / 19
Suzdalev / 19
Persson / 19
Lapierre / 21
Trineyev / 21
Hofer / 21
McMichael / 22
Protas / 22
Dubé / 22
Rybinski / 22
Sutter / 23
Malenstyn / 25
Frank / 25
Phillips / 25
Limoges / 25
Snively / 27
Sgarbossa / 30

Even if CMM, Beck, and AP are with the big club, we still have way too many forwards, with many of the youngsters also needing to be in top-six/nine roles and not playing on the fourth line in limited minutes.

You would have to imagine that a couple of moves have to be made, no? Especially with the glut currently on the big club as well.

Persson could possibly be loaned back to Sweden? Trineyev back to the KHL? Suzdalev back to Juniors? Though, I think that he should play in the AHL this year.

Above, we have 17 Hershey-eligible forwards - let me know if I missed any, as of right now.

The ECHL is an option for a couple of players, but would it not be better for Trineyev to be playing in the K, if he is not going to be playing decent minutes in Hershey? Not sure on Hofer.

Did I miss anyone on solely AHL-Hershey deal(s)?

Mike Vecchione is a forward on an AHL contract.

 

[Kalopsia]

I mean who do they have that qualifies for a hockey trade? It’s pretty much Fehervary who could remotely be a centerpiece, right?

They start out by praising the Matthew Phillips signing, then this is the part about the “hockey trade”

Friedman: I still think there’s more coming here. Washington is one the teams that has kind of let it be known that they’re looking to make a move in their top 6, and it’s a hockey trade. They’re not looking for a salary dump, they’re not looking for anything like that, but they’re looking to make a hockey trade in their top 6. They are open about it. Now, it’s not gonna be Tom Wilson, I wasn’t in the scrum when he was asked about Tom Wilson but apparently he gave the death stare of all death stares to reporters for continually bringing this up. [Some stuff about MacLellan being a scary dude that I’ll skip] Now before Nashville signed Ryan O’Reilly, and they might’ve done it anyway, I dunno, they were talking to Washington about Kuznetsov. Like, to be honest, I wonder if it was a Kuznetsov for Duchene deal, because I heard it happened before Duchene was bought out. Now, this trade fell apart - it makes a lot of sense, like, Barry Trotz won a Stanley Cup with Kuznetsov who was incredible in that run, but that’s obviously over, we’ll see what else Washington tries here, but they are looking to make a hockey trade in their top 6. I have mentioned DeBrincat, I just don’t know if it’d all work, but that’s the kind of player that they’ve looked at.

Then they mention the Caps are really hoping for a breakout from Sandin.

Anyway, sounds like Kuzy or Mantha + for a better too 6 forward is what they’re aiming for.

 

[twabby]

I wonder how they're going to pull it off then.

Maybe they find a taker for Mantha or Kuznetsov, but if Duchene had to be bought out and Johansen was traded for basically nothing I find it hard to believe Kuznetsov will have any takers especially now that Nashville isn't interested in him. There will need to be a significant sweetener attached to take either I think. I'd imagine something like a first round pick or maybe like a second and a third round pick. Combine that with the acquisition cost of whoever they are targeting, and that's going to be a lot of futures especially since retention is almost a no-go given how close Washington is to the cap ceiling. Right now, by my estimation if they go with their roster locks + CMM/Protas/Malensyn/Alexeyev + Fehervary re-signed at $2.2 million, they'd have $950k in cap space. So assuming they target Debrincat they'd have to shed Kuznetsov and then hope Debrincat signs for $8.75M or less. Mantha alone wouldn't give them enough room to fit him in.

They could make Ehlers work. He makes $6 million so they'd be able to fit him with Mantha gone. He got a career low TOI last year despite still producing and being impactful, so maybe they could get him from Winnipeg while not giving up too much. The injuries concern me a lot, but he has incredibly high upside and could slot in on 1RW pretty easily. I think he's also played LW in the past so 2LW is an option as well. He's the type of player Washington needs: a burner in transition and a good playmaker. Not sure of the PP fit, but with Carbery coming in maybe a good role could be carved for him.

They could make Elias Lindholm fit but would they really give him his expected 8 x $8.5 million extension? That has disaster written all over it. And I can't imagine them paying what it'd cost to get him just as a rental.

I still think Nylander is the best option of the bunch but with their unwillingness to let Wilson go I don't see how it'd work.