Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

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All this hand-wringing about Kuzy and Mantha being untradeable is silly at this stage. Yes some trades have happened. But the Cup finals just finished and we're not even at the draft, let alone free agency. It's June. The season is still 3 months away.
I think it’s natural and something to talk about. It passes the time. Plenty of time for sure but there seem to be multiple pundits saying it’s unlikely they can trade either so it’s a little bit worrying. Could things change? Of course. But it sounds like the caps may be considering accepting their situation which is the troubling part for me at least.
 
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I think it’s natural and something to talk about. It passes the time. Plenty of time for sure but there seem to be multiple pundits saying it’s unlikely they can trade either so it’s a little bit worrying. Could things change? Of course. But it sounds like the caps may be considering accepting their situation which is the troubling part for me at least.
Of course it's natural to talk about it, but why must everything be doom and gloom always here? And of course they're considering what happens if they keep those guys; they'd be negligent not to. But pundits say things for clicks first and foremost. So when they know nothing, they turn nothing into "no hope." It's a tried and true formula but it's not necessarily meaningful information.
 
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If we can't get good value for Kuzy, move him to the wing and tell him the better he plays, the better the chance he gets traded. Then we continue to entertain offers on him up to the Trade Deadline

Also I would move Backstrom to the wing and see how he does. If he is bad as a winger, then he is moved to 13th forward spot and Nacho duty. He might find a way to contribute with his smarts and hands at wing on a lower line, or he may realize he is done and the team and him and his Doctors explore next steps.

So that frees up C spots. I would loosely have Strome as 1C to start the season with CMM and Protas as loose 2C and 3C. Let them ride the playoff experience and see if it translates to the NHL at their natural positions with Carberry. Mix them through 1C - 3C over many games, and see how they do.

Adjust if needed after Christmas...
 

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If we can't get good value for Kuzy, move him to the wing and tell him the better he plays, the better the chance he gets traded. Then we continue to entertain offers on him up to the Trade Deadline

Also I would move Backstrom to the wing and see how he does. If he is bad as a winger, then he is moved to 13th forward spot and Nacho duty. He might find a way to contribute with his smarts and hands at wing on a lower line, or he may realize he is done and the team and him and his Doctors explore next steps.

So that frees up C spots. I would loosely have Strome as 1C to start the season with CMM and Protas as loose 2C and 3C. Let them ride the playoff experience and see if it translates to the NHL at their natural positions with Carberry. Mix them through 1C - 3C over many games, and see how they do.

Adjust if needed after Christmas...
That isn’t a competitive line-up in the NHL IMO.
 
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Of course it's natural to talk about it, but why must everything be doom and gloom always here? And of course they're considering what happens if they keep those guys; they'd be negligent not to. But pundits say things for clicks first and foremost.

Agreed. I don't think any Caps contract felt as untradeable as Laich's, and Mac not only pulled it off, but it's quietly one of his best trades ever.

We also have no idea the conversations Carbery is having with these guys. Maybe he can reel Kuzy back in, maybe he (and a contract year) can light a fire under Mantha, maybe we'll find a can of Raid for the injury bug and the kids will really make the step. We were at about .500 last year despite the bad luck and the tank. Better luck alone would make "running it back with the same roster" feel a lot less like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

And Mac always seems to have some tricks up his sleeve. I wouldn't count on us standing pat.
 

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You don't know until you try.

When the young kids were first up, they and the team played great. They are much more seasoned after the year and a half since then, and a winning Calder Cup run. And the new coach knows them.
It’s hard to pivot mid season at that many positions should it go wrong. I don’t think they have the luxury of trying that out.
 
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Agreed. I don't think any Caps contract felt as untradeable as Laich's, and Mac not only pulled it off, but it's quietly one of his best trades ever.

We also have no idea the conversations Carbery is having with these guys. Maybe he can reel Kuzy back in, maybe he (and a contract year) can light a fire under Mantha, maybe we'll find a can of Raid for the injury bug and the kids will really make the step. We were at about .500 last year despite the bad luck and the tank. Better luck alone would make "running it back with the same roster" feel a lot less like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

And Mac always seems to have some tricks up his sleeve. I wouldn't count on us standing pat.
First, I dig your avatar. Cool animation.

I agree on all that except believing Carbery will be able to magically make Kuzy and Mantha not be a waste of space. Kuzy has disappeared under multiple coaches. It is who he is at this point. If Mantha and Kuzy are back its most likely because they couldn’t find a buyer.

IF (big if and too early to say) they brought back the same roster, there is no way to paint that as a positive. I don’t think that will happen but to try to spin that as good situation just seems like a stretch. BMac said there needs to be changes in the top six and even some of the players in interviews in their native country newspapers admitted there needs to be change (Fever said as much and mentioned the team is slow).

I feel like I’ve :deadhorse on this point so I’ll stop lol.
 
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You don't know until you try.

When the young kids were first up, they and the team played great. They are much more seasoned after the year and a half since then, and a winning Calder Cup run. And the new coach knows them.
I keep hearing this thrown out….but I can’t recall much real production from many of the youngsters who were just in Hershey. So what….they contributed some fresh wheels, a little spring in the step? Not enough…..we need a lot more from them and others next year to be competitive.

I happen to think that streak was on other teammates and good coaching more than those few contributors, but I have not looked at the numbers closely to be sure. You would think our resident math nerds would have confirmed or debunked this by now….

ahem @twabby …..;)
 

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I keep hearing this thrown out….but I can’t recall much real production from many of the youngsters who were just in Hershey. So what….they contributed some fresh wheels, a little spring in the step? Not enough…..we need a lot more from them and others next year to be competitive.

I happen to think that streak was on other teammates and good coaching more than those few contributors, but I have not looked at the numbers closely to be sure. You would think our resident math nerds would have confirmed or debunked this by now….

ahem @twabby …..;)
And why did the good coaching get worse once the "better players" arrived? For someone who loves reminding people Laviolette is gone you still defend him to the end even when it makes no sense.
 

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And why did the good coaching get worse once the "better players" arrived? For someone who loves reminding people Laviolette is gone you still defend him to the end even when it makes no sense.
I think it was just a hot streak and was unsustainable….just petered out….like I said….I would love to see a deep analysis by anyone suggesting that streak was because the of the call-ups/benched rooks.

There were more coaches on the team than Lavi. I think “the staff” collectively was able to rally the troops/get a little roll going, and some players raised their game….and as they all do, it just ended.

What’s stupid AF to me, is suggesting that if the youngsters had stayed in the lineup, we would have continued to have success. Not saying you…(because I can’t recall honestly, hell it could have been you ;) ), but I’ve seen that suggested at least several times during the debates.
 
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the hot streak was more correlated with Ovechkin's goal record chase than the roster. People are seeing what they want to see.
don't agree with that at all, lots of players with plenty of their own to prove were getting regular minutes and never playing with Ovechkin at all, he's not really #1 for anyone in the lower lines who stepped up in that scenario. A good hype magnet maybe, leadership counts too I guess, but not the reason.
 

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the hot streak was more correlated with Ovechkin's goal record chase than the roster. People are seeing what they want to see.
I think it warrants a true analysis to put it to rest. I don’t care about shitting on Lavi or defending the guy. Many seem to still care about shitting on him for whatever reason.
 

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What’s stupid AF to me, is suggesting that if the youngsters had stayed in the lineup, we would have continued to have success. Not saying you…(because I can’t recall honestly, hell it could have been you ;) ), but I’ve seen that suggested at least several times during the debates.
The non-stupid version of that argument is that they did start slipping as soon as returning vets were given full-time minutes out of the gates, and there was never an attempt to return to the winning form. "Winning is most important, we're here to win" is an argument that doesn't get applied evenly and is, you know, bad coaching.
 

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The non-stupid version of that argument is that they did start slipping as soon as returning vets were given full-time minutes out of the gates, and there was never an attempt to return to the winning form. "Winning is most important, we're here to win" is an argument that doesn't get applied evenly and is, you know, bad coaching.
I’d just like to see all the numbers rather than this dickish opinion fest. That dance has been going on too long and is boorish and dull witted to me at this point.

you would think people making this point of contention would want to throw out some evidence….or maybe they don‘t for a reason…I dunno, could be laziness, or just talking out the ass. /shrug
 

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I’d like to see all the numbers rather than this dickish opinion fest. That dance has been going on too long and is boorish and dull witted to me at this point.
Do you really need more than the roster and the win loss record by month to drag this out? It's not an opinion, we all watched it happen, but even if it was there's nothing more dickish than dismissing it offhand. I don't think you want to see the numbers at all because we've had this discussion mid-season when they were right there and it was just something else with you.
 

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Do you really need more than the roster and the win loss record by month to drag this out? It's not an opinion, we all watched it happen, but even if it was there's nothing more dickish than dismissing it offhand. I don't think you want to see the numbers at all because we've had this discussion mid-season when they were right there and it was just something else with you.
Yup.

and…I’ll gladly admit I was wrong if a true unbiased and analytical analysis of the win streak show it was because CMM, Protas + (insert any Bear player)….I don‘t see the problem.

Who were really their best players, we know their worst….so….were the wins at home largely where coaching staff can line match, did the goalies raise their games, did the competition fall off or just suck, did we catch tired teams on back 2 backs, or long roadtrips?? Were there strategy changes, hot lines? Did a few guys just play lights out? Lots of unknowns….
 
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don't agree with that at all, lots of players with plenty of their own to prove were getting regular minutes and never playing with Ovechkin at all, he's not really #1 for anyone in the lower lines who stepped up in that scenario. A good hype magnet maybe, leadership counts too I guess, but not the reason.

The team was soaring while Ovie was hot and chasing Gordie. They went flat soon after he passed the mark.


What veterans are we talking about? It was one guy: Backstrom
 
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