Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[CapitalsCupReality]

I think, at least what I had thought the assumption was, that at some point the Nats would get out from under the Orioles. I can't imagine the Nat's sell with the MASN issue still being up in the air.

And it looks like ole Ted is gonna be playing hardball.

They give DC something like $10 per ticket, for every ticket sold in the building, not just Caps. I remember a chat with Ted back when I was on the season ticket holder advisory board….where he said essentially Abe sold off the future for the last $50mil so he didn’t have to leverage anything else….Ted clearly hated that arrangement at the time and I can’t believe that’s changed.

 

[twabby]

We discussed potentially moving Fehervary to AZ to move up to #6 to nab Michkov.

For those wondering what Fehervary might get in his next deal, Evolving Hockey has him pegged at 2-3 years most likely, and coming in at around $2.2 million to $2.8 million per year.

Two possible replacements I see that could bring just as much if not more to the table than Fehervary if they do decide to deal him:

Carson Soucy, projected at 3 x $2.6 million
Ian Cole, projected at 2 x $3.0 million

Cole in particular intrigues me as a defense-only rock to play on the second pairing and on PK1. He brings tons of experience, both regular season and postseason and has proven relatively durable despite playing a style that might cause wear and tear.

 

[Calicaps]

Not a roster thing, but I just saw the official Insta announcement from a couple of days ago about the switch from NBCSW to Monumental Sports Network and my first thought was everything old is new again...

 

[Marshall]

Not a roster thing, but I just saw the official Insta announcement from a couple of days ago about the switch from NBCSW to Monumental Sports Network and my first thought was everything old is new again...

I am having Johnny O flashbacks.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

Not a roster thing, but I just saw the official Insta announcement from a couple of days ago about the switch from NBCSW to Monumental Sports Network and my first thought was everything old is new again...

As a kid I was able to watch a lot of these games nationwide on the satellite dish during the 80s and early 90s before Directv etc, especially living in a very rural area. HTS, Midwest Sports Channel, CBC, etc were all on different feeds across coordinates. I had them marked and CBC was etched for Saturday nights and the playoffs. Additionally, it was awesome to watch the unedited broadcast teams pre game and during intermissions. It gave a kid the insight of the work involved in broadcasting. So many free games of NHL hockey to watch back then.

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

Two possible replacements I see that could bring just as much if not more to the table than Fehervary if they do decide to deal him:

Carson Soucy, projected at 3 x $2.6 million
Ian Cole, projected at 2 x $3.0 million

I agree with this medium-term approach to D. Serviceable and reasonable cost for around two years.

We could move Fever or AA as trade capital (for Michkov move up or another good pick this year), and look at that as an opportunity for Iorio (and later for Chesley and maybe Johnson).

I think the prime time for firming up the 3-7 year general road map for D starts next summer, as we will have a better handle on our array of forward prospects and start to get a handle on who could be moved in hockey trades for young (close-to-ready D). Pull a reverse Siegenthaler.

Also, stocking the prospect pool this draft with what will be low cost ELC talent (and sooner/later Kuzy/Backstrom savings), and a rising cap in 2 or 3 years opens us to get a top pair D via UFA in the 2024/2025 time horizon.

 

[twabby]

I agree with this medium-term approach to D. Serviceable and reasonable cost for around two years.

We could move Fever or AA as trade capital (for Michkov move up or another good pick this year), and look at that as an opportunity for Iorio (and later for Chesley and maybe Johnson).

I think the prime time for firming up the 3-7 year general road map for D starts next summer, as we will have a better handle on our array of forward prospects and start to get a handle on who could be moved in hockey trades for young (close-to-ready D). Pull a reverse Siegenthaler.

Also, stocking the prospect pool this draft with what will be low cost ELC talent (and sooner/later Kuzy/Backstrom savings), and a rising cap in 2 or 3 years opens us to get a top pair D via UFA in the 2024/2025 time horizon.

I’d move Fever for Michkov if necessary, but I’m still curious what type of interest he’d have around the league. I suspect he’d have stronger trade value than many think and I wonder if he couldn’t be used to upgrade the forward ranks. He’ll be a young, cost-controlled 24 year old entering next season who plays 20 minutes a night and he’s physical and a good skater. On the surface that seems like a valuable player. Could he be used to help land a top 6 forward? I think it’s very possible.

Again, I’d give up Fehervary to land Michkov if absolutely necessary but I hope it wouldn’t come to that because I think he could be very valuable as a trade chip elsewhere.

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

but I’m still curious what type of interest he’d have around the league.

Could be a path to another 1st. Could someone in the 10 - 25 range be interested?

I also wonder if we could do something for the Arizona 38 OA + some of their FOUR 2nd round picks next year. They have EIGHT 2nd round picks over the next two years. That's a lot to draft or trade one at time. Maybe we can get the bulk price and move up this year with proceeds.

 

[Kalopsia]

I’d move Fever for Michkov if necessary, but I’m still curious what type of interest he’d have around the league. I suspect he’d have stronger trade value than many think and I wonder if he couldn’t be used to upgrade the forward ranks. He’ll be a young, cost-controlled 24 year old entering next season who plays 20 minutes a night and he’s physical and a good skater. On the surface that seems like a valuable player. Could he be used to help land a top 6 forward? I think it’s very possible.

Again, I’d give up Fehervary to land Michkov if absolutely necessary but I hope it wouldn’t come to that because I think he could be very valuable as a trade chip elsewhere.

Hell, let's get weird and do both at the same time. Rope the Avs in and make it a three team deal.

Washington in: 6OA, Nick Schmaltz
Washington out: 8OA, Martin Fehervary, Evgeny Kuznetsov

Arizona in: 8OA, Martin Fehervary, Alex Newhook, 2M retention on Kuznetsov
Arizona out: 6OA, Nick Schmaltz

Colorado in: Kuznetsov at 5.8M
Colorado out: Alex Newhook

Add picks/prospects as needed to even out value. I think you need like a 2nd going from Colorado to Arizona, but they don't have any until 2026 so you'd need to do something complicated like the Avs 1st going to Washington who then sends the 40th pick to Arizona and one of next year's 2nds back to the Avs maybe?

 

[ArmadilloThumb]

Colorado in: Kuznetsov at 5.8M
Colorado out: Alex Newhook

I'd say keep it simple and insist on value for Kuzy's potential and do the above for the 27 OA from Colorado.

Then deal separately with Arizona for 6 OA + Fever.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

I'd say keep it simple and insist on value for Kuzy's potential and do the above for the 27 OA from Colorado.

Then deal separately with Arizona for 6 OA + Fever.

Nobody wants Kuzy at that AAV.

 

[HecticGlow]

Unless Fehervary completely sucks under Carbery, I’m not moving him. That has Stephenson/Siegenthaler under-appreciated/undervalue written all over it.

 

[Brian23]

Unless Fehervary completely sucks under Carbery, I’m not moving him. That has Stephenson/Siegenthaler under-appreciated/undervalue written all over it.

I just don't think that fits.

Siegenthaler only played 97 games for us with a ATOI of 15:08 minutes over 3 years. He played bottom pairing, low impact minutes. He was given but the bare minimum while he was here and often healthy scratched.

Stephenson played 168 games, but he had an ATOI of 11:40 a night over 5 years. He also was a bottom 6 forward given scraps to get by. Often healthy scratched and, besides the cup run, basically an after thought.

Fehervary has played 152 games with an ATOI of 19:40 over 3 years. He's played top 4 minutes, premier minutes, and has had plenty of time on the PK. The only spot he hasn't been given a shot is on the PP, and he's still middling at best.

Fehervary is living off the first like 20 or 30 games he played with Carlson where they were electric, he's never been the same player since getting COVID and has been a net drag since then. I'm not saying give him up for nothing, but if you ignore those pre-COVID games there's really not much to be excited about with him.

 

[The Instigator]

Well that will quiet all the Kuzy to Colorado talk.

 

[hockeykicker]

The Capitals would be willing to trade Anthony Mantha, but as of now, it doesn’t sound like they’ve gotten much in the way of offers and would rather see if a new coach and a contract year can motivate him. It’s a long shot they move Evgeny Kuznetsov, even though they’d probably be open to it. He has limited no-trade protection.

 

[Misery74]

Well that will quiet all the Kuzy to Colorado talk.

Doesn’t speak too well as to what Kuznetsov may be worth either.

They got nothing, and ate 50% for two years.

Might be best to hold with Kuzy for now.

 

[Misery74]

OV-Strome-Willy
Milano-Kuzy-Oshie
???-Backs-Mantha
Protas-Dowd-NAK

That last spot belongs to CMM or Jimi on opening night.

I hope we spend 0 in free agency, and lets wait and see if Carberry can create some magic. That’s my best case scenario.

Hopefully we can get rid of Mantha still.

 

[pman25]

Unless Fehervary completely sucks under Carbery, I’m not moving him. That has Stephenson/Siegenthaler under-appreciated/undervalue written all over it.

Both of those guys broke out after being put into bigger roles with more ice time and better linemates. Fehervary has been top 4 ever since he arrived.

And no way, we aren't dumping him for a 3rd or 5th round pick. But in a trade for Top 6 forward or Michkov? Yeah adios Marty!

 

[Capitals40]

OV-Strome-Willy
Milano-Kuzy-Oshie
???-Backs-Mantha
Protas-Dowd-NAK

That last spot belongs to CMM or Jimi on opening night.

I hope we spend 0 in free agency, and lets wait and see if Carberry can create some magic. That’s my best case scenario.

Hopefully we can get rid of Mantha still.

Just looking at those lines "on paper"...it is blah..also, CMM has proven he is not an NHL winger. Only way he makes it in the NHL is at center..he will play when injury occurs.

 

[Misery74]

Just looking at those lines "on paper"...it is blah..also, CMM has proven he is not an NHL winger. Only way he makes it in the NHL is at center..he will play when injury occurs.

Yeah, after the first line, we aren’t a playoff caliber team.

Just happy we have a new coach tbh.

 

[Marshall]

Whether or not the Caps mean it, glad that's the message they're putting out.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

OV-Strome-Willy
Milano-Kuzy-Oshie
???-Backs-Mantha
Protas-Dowd-NAK

That last spot belongs to CMM or Jimi on opening night.

I hope we spend 0 in free agency, and lets wait and see if Carberry can create some magic. That’s my best case scenario.

Hopefully we can get rid of Mantha still.

So ice the exact same team? Hell no. That line up is slow beyond belief and injury prone. Might as well just rebuild.

 

[twabby]

OV-Strome-Willy
Milano-Kuzy-Oshie
???-Backs-Mantha
Protas-Dowd-NAK

That last spot belongs to CMM or Jimi on opening night.

I hope we spend 0 in free agency, and lets wait and see if Carberry can create some magic. That’s my best case scenario.

Hopefully we can get rid of Mantha still.

This lineup would be incredibly disappointing. It’s not good, so it doesn’t accomplish anything for winning now. And it also accomplishes little for getting their young guys development time, in the case of them taking a strategic step back.

They need to pick a direction and go with it. If they are taking a step back then they need to find McMichael a spot at C to develop. He’s not a winger.

 

[Brian23]

I'm not really concerned with what the media is reporting about the team. I can't think of a single move that they had ears on prior to GMBM making his move.

 

[Misery74]

This lineup would be incredibly disappointing. It’s not good, so it doesn’t accomplish anything for winning now. And it also accomplishes little for getting their young guys development time, in the case of them taking a strategic step back.

They need to pick a direction and go with it. If they are taking a step back then they need to find McMichael a spot at C to develop. He’s not a winger.

So what center moves to wing? Strome?

The only thing the lineup accomplishes is to see what Carberry can do for them. I also do not believe that lineup contends for anything.

We are running out the clock at this point. Until Backstrom decides anything, we should be planning for the future.