Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[HTFN]

Those look like some good Blues and Jackets teams to me.

They look like exactly the type of teams the Capitals shouldn't be trying to be if they don't want a full repeat of the same safe, grind it out, no real offensive system or creativity, lean heavily on Ovechkin and individuals system they've been running. Bet you right now that guy wants to defend harder and work harder and has no real answers for how to actually generate goals and win hockey games.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Those look like some good Blues and Jackets teams to me.

Not sure if you are being serious or not…

 

[um]

They look like exactly the type of teams the Capitals shouldn't be trying to be if they don't want a full repeat of the same safe, grind it out, no real offensive system or creativity, lean heavily on Ovechkin and individuals system they've been running. Bet you right now that guy wants to defend harder and work harder and has no real answers for how to actually generate goals and win hockey games.

Not sure if you are being serious or not…

He’s not preference either, but to say he has no accomplishments is false. He’s been part of good teams.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

He’s not preference either, but to say he has no accomplishments is false. He’s been part of good teams.

It isn’t false. The majority of the years he has coached teams they have done squat.

 

[um]

It isn’t false. The majority of the years he has coached teams they have done squat.

That goes for most coaches. Trotz did squat before coming too.

Carberry is coming from doing squat as well, in the NHL level.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

That goes for most coaches. Trotz did squat before coming too.

Shaw has hardly been a head coach in his career at any level. You can’t compare the two.

Furthermore, Shaw spent a lot of time under Tortorella and Hitchcock…consider me not interested in that style of coaching for new age players, especially offensive ones.

 

[Rayquaza64]

That isn’t true in the slightest. He led the Stingrays as a head coach to the Kelly cup finals and the conference finals two years in a row. Shaws teams as both head coach and assistant coach have barley made the playoffs.

Shaws record can be found here:

Brad Shaw (b.1964) Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Statistics and Records of Brad Shaw, a hockey player and coach from Cambridge, ONT born Apr 28 1964 who was active from 1981 to 1999.

www.hockeydb.com

That is a lot of no playoff results in all of those years coaching. (Albeit most as an associate)

The Caps can do better.

And his (Carbery’s) bears teams were poised for deep runs if there was no COVID, as well as running a top power play for toronto.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Feeling more and more like Halpern.

 

[Hivemind]

Well then that logic disqualifies carberry too

 

[Random schmoe]

I found no mention of Andrew Brunette a little interesting, as it had been previously theorized that he could be a candidate. But Tarik does say "To be clear, this is not a full accounting of MacLellan’s list, it’s simply an update on the names we believe are in (or not in) the mix.". So it could just be that he doesn't any information on Brunette.

 

[hockeykicker]

That's not a championship. So my point still stands. He has not been a part of any winning team

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

That's not a championship. So my point still stands. He has not been a part of any winning team

Winning doesn’t only mean winning a championship in this context. Advancing far into the playoffs is also “winning” experience which Shaw coincidentally also does not have.

 

[Silky mitts]

 

[Brian23]

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Stop dodging hits, learn to take them.

 

[twabby]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "finishing checks" should be illegal!

Nothing lamer and more boring than watching some blockhead try to run a guy through the boards after the puck is gone.

 

[Kalopsia]

Stop dodging hits, learn to take them.

He would've dodged it cleanly if Eyssimont didn't stick his knee out (for which he got 5 and the game). Just a dirty play.

 

[Hivemind]

That's not a championship. So my point still stands. He has not been a part of any winning team

If you want to be particularly pedantic, that is the Bud Gingher Memorial Trophy, which is presented to the ECHL Eastern Conference Champions.

But speaking more to the actual intent of the argument here, comparing Spencer Carbery's success as a professional hockey coach to Brad Shaw's - and it's readily apparent who's had more success. I don't know why you're attempting to contest this. Brad Shaw has been coaching in the NHL since 2005, and he misses the playoffs more frequently than he gets beyond the first round. Even at the IHL and AHL level before his time in the NHL, he had two seasons in the playoffs and two seasons where he missed the playoffs. Meanwhile Carbery took South Carolina to the Kelly Cup Finals, followed by another trip to the Eastern Conference Finals, and then had Hershey in Round 2 with two more promising Hershey teams that didn't get a playoff run due to COVID. He also helped secure Toronto's first trip beyond the first round in 19 years. You can try to write a narrative where Brad Shaw has more NHL experience than Carbery, but pretending that a lack of success in the playoffs applies equally to Carbery and Shaw is an outright falsehood.

 

[Corby78]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "finishing checks" should be illegal!

Nothing lamer and more boring than watching some blockhead try to run a guy through the boards after the puck is gone.

Should probably remove the boards, and use a nerf puck too. Don't want anyone to get hurt..

 

[kicksavedave]

Winning a championship cannot be the only measure of a great coach, in the same way as high test scores cannot be the only measure of a great teacher. It matters much more what the talent level of the roster is before and during the coaches tenure and also what improvement from before, during and after the coaches tenure. A coach who takes a garbage roster to the edge of the playoffs or the 1st round loss may be a much better coach than one who takes an all star loaded roster to a 2nd round or conference flameout. A coach who takes last years first round exit team to the finals but doesn't win, how is he graded? How does a coach who wins a president's trophy, but then has his best player injured for the playoffs, get graded properly?

Give me the coach who over achieves consistently, and then its up to the GM to give him a championship roster. Its always been like this.

 

[Random schmoe]

Almost as important as who the first line center will be, much less who is coaching them: New Post beat writer.

 

[YippieKaey]

Sandin out with a knee injury after a dirty intentional knee on knee hit by Eyssimont in todays game. Looked really bad and he might very well be out for many months. The Caps injury woes seem to continue.

 

[Hivemind]

Speaking of Championship pedigrees in head coaching candidates - Mike Vellucci.

For those who do highly value Championships in their coaching search (and it's certainly not an end-all be-all when evaluating candidates, there are plenty of other factors to consider), it's hard to do better than Vellucci has done. He's won at every level he's been a head coach.

Vellucci has 2x NAHL Championships (98, 99), 1x OHL Championship (2007), and 1x AHL Championship (2019). He also now has NHL experience, spending the last three seasons as an assistant coach for the Penguins. Conversely, if there's a demerit on his resume, it could be the Penguins relative lack of success since his arrival in Pittsburgh, although many might point first towards Sullivan, Hextall, or the advancing age of their stars.

 

[Raikkonen]

Sandin out with a knee injury after a dirty intentional knee on knee hit by Eyssimont in todays game. Looked really bad and he might very well be out for many months. The Caps injury woes seem to continue.

Orlov paid that guy clearly!

 

[kicksavedave]

Conversely, if there's a demerit on his resume, it could be the Penguins relative lack of success since his arrival in Pittsburgh, although many might point first towards Sullivan, Hextall, or the advancing age of their stars.

Or Todd Reirden