Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2023 Off-season

[StrikingDistance]

I'll take a young coach who can equally inspire and hold accountable the players. Someone the Vets and youngins will all give at least 80% each game (low expectations I know). Personnel wise, we aren't too far from the Panthers on paper.

 

[bacchist]

Sandin out with a knee injury after a dirty intentional knee on knee hit by Eyssimont in todays game. Looked really bad and he might very well be out for many months. The Caps injury woes seem to continue.

Didn't realize full time NHL guys like this that are expected to be top 4 defensemen are out there playing competitive hockey where they're risking major injury. Bummer.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Re: Coaching Hire — they need a strong mind. All of these “what have they ever won?!?!?!?” Bullshit is useless.

We have a coach that posters are going back to the late 90’s to exemplify success (or early aught’s)…..versus ones that were playing pack then.

We all don’t know. None of us. Let the man that won us a Cup make his decision, and then we will see.

Yeah, he’s boofed it already, but the intent was clear (ownership was involved w Trotz’s departure and Reirden’s subsequent promotion……we all KNOW they were; Lavy was absolutely a good hire at the time….didn’t work out).

Sure, I can be accused as a management apologist, and these days, that may be true (tho look at my posts during the last 2 GMGM yrs, I wanted him out, badly), however I do believe in GMBM. As a long term Caps fan (1975 first game), I tend to take the long view.

GMBM has always done what he’s said he would do. Literally. And it won us our first and only Cup. Can he do it again? Dunno……….

But I’m with him.

 

[Calicaps]

This SUCKS.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: "finishing checks" should be illegal!

Nothing lamer and more boring than watching some blockhead try to run a guy through the boards after the puck is gone.

Yes you have said it before and it doesn't get any more sensible no matter how often you say it. If you don't finish a check then guys learn they don't need to get rid of the puck. So then the puck will still be there and then I guess you'l be ok with finishing that check. It's absurd. The whole point is that knowing the hit is coming creates mistakes which lead to offense which I know you like.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

This SUCKS.

Yes you have said it before and it doesn't get any more sensible no matter how often you say it. If you don't finish a check then guys learn they don't need to get rid of the puck. So then the puck will still be there and then I guess you'l be ok with finishing that check. It's absurd. The whole point is that knowing the hit is coming creates mistakes which lead to offense which I know you like.

I thought this tourament was like an All star game and the players took it easy. Whats with all the dirty plays this year.

IIHF - Canada's Joe Veleno Suspended

Veleno will miss 5 games with Canada

www.iihf.com

 

[Hivemind]

I thought this tourament was like an All star game and the players took it easy.

Naw. Euros care about this tournie. It's only North Americans that give no f***s.

 

[YippieKaey]

Naw. Euros care about this tournie. It's only North Americans that give no f***s.

Pretty much this. It's cool to see players from all the other leagues play against each other with sprinkles of NHLers thrown in. It's not the Olympics but still cool.

 

[twabby]

Yes you have said it before and it doesn't get any more sensible no matter how often you say it. If you don't finish a check then guys learn they don't need to get rid of the puck. So then the puck will still be there and then I guess you'l be ok with finishing that check. It's absurd. The whole point is that knowing the hit is coming creates mistakes which lead to offense which I know you like.

The bolded is correct. If the puck is there then the player should be eligible to be checked. But if the puck isn’t there and the hitter has the ability to bail out of the hit, then they should have to bail out of the hit or else be penalized. That’s how the THL (twabby Hockey League) would be run. Along with eliminating the draft and restricted free agency, and implementing a soft salary cap.

It’d make for a better game not seeing skilled defensemen have to duck out of the way of heat-seeking dullards like Cal Clutterbuck and Ryan Reaves well after the puck is gone.

 

[g00n]

The bolded is correct. If the puck is there then the player should be eligible to be checked. But if the puck isn’t there and the hitter has the ability to bail out of the hit, then they should have to bail out of the hit or else be penalized. That’s how the THL (twabby Hockey League) would be run. Along with eliminating the draft and restricted free agency, and implementing a soft salary cap.

It’d make for a better game not seeing skilled defensemen have to duck out of the way of heat-seeking dullards like Cal Clutterbuck and Ryan Reaves well after the puck is gone.

How do you define "has the ability to bail out"? Some amount of time has to be allowed for normal reaction and flow of play.

This is why finishing the check is allowed. People can't just re-route physically and mentally immediately. And the closer you get to a player the less ability you may have to see where the puck is due to narrowing of field of vision. Additional complications come from the nature of skating and the proportions and constraints of a rink with 2 nets and continual walls, refs, other players, etc.

So guys are going to get hit after the puck is gone.

What you want is no hitting at all.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

The bolded is correct. If the puck is there then the player should be eligible to be checked. But if the puck isn’t there and the hitter has the ability to bail out of the hit, then they should have to bail out of the hit or else be penalized. That’s how the THL (twabby Hockey League) would be run. Along with eliminating the draft and restricted free agency, and implementing a soft salary cap.

It’d make for a better game not seeing skilled defensemen have to duck out of the way of heat-seeking dullards like Cal Clutterbuck and Ryan Reaves well after the puck is gone.

Gods help us that this great game never turns into the mess you want….

 

[StrikingDistance]

The bolded is correct. If the puck is there then the player should be eligible to be checked. But if the puck isn’t there and the hitter has the ability to bail out of the hit, then they should have to bail out of the hit or else be penalized. That’s how the THL (twabby Hockey League) would be run. Along with eliminating the draft and restricted free agency, and implementing a soft salary cap.

It’d make for a better game not seeing skilled defensemen have to duck out of the way of heat-seeking dullards like Cal Clutterbuck and Ryan Reaves well after the puck is gone.

For someone who doesn't watch gameplay lol...stick to stats. Although I feel there's a bit of trolling going on here.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

For someone who doesn't watch gameplay lol...stick to stats. Although I feel there's a bit of trolling going on here.

From @twabby ?!?!

(feigned gasp).

 

[Silky mitts]

I thought this tourament was like an All star game and the players took it easy. Whats with all the dirty plays this year.

IIHF - Canada's Joe Veleno Suspended

Veleno will miss 5 games with Canada

www.iihf.com

Does anyone else call this "The Chris Simon"?

Positive early news on Sandin.

 

[Kalopsia]

Naw. Euros care about this tournie. It's only North Americans that give no f***s.

It's the North Americans who seem to be trying to take out their competition though. I guess the NA scrubs give a f***.

 

[twabby]

How do you define "has the ability to bail out"? Some amount of time has to be allowed for normal reaction and flow of play.

This is why finishing the check is allowed. People can't just re-route physically and mentally immediately. And the closer you get to a player the less ability you may have to see where the puck is due to narrowing of field of vision. Additional complications come from the nature of skating and the proportions and constraints of a rink with 2 nets and continual walls, refs, other players, etc.

So guys are going to get hit after the puck is gone.

What you want is no hitting at all.

NHL players are elite athletes that have made it this far in their hockey careers in large part because they can process the game quickly. I have full faith that these remarkable athletes who make split second decisions on the ice all the time can make split second decisions to bail out of hits when the opponent gets rid of the puck. They simply choose not to bail out of hits because there's no incentive not to absolutely demolish their opponent. If there is an incentive, say by being assessed an interference call, then I'm sure you'll see a lot more letting up in situations that would have otherwise been deemed "unavoidable contact."

As an example from another league NFL pass-rushers learned very quickly how to bail out of hitting the quarterback when the rules were changed to protect quarterbacks from getting demolished well after the ball leaves their hands. I'm sure NHL players could do similar. I have faith in them!

 

[Calicaps]

The bolded is correct. If the puck is there then the player should be eligible to be checked. But if the puck isn’t there and the hitter has the ability to bail out of the hit, then they should have to bail out of the hit or else be penalized. That’s how the THL (twabby Hockey League) would be run. Along with eliminating the draft and restricted free agency, and implementing a soft salary cap.

It’d make for a better game not seeing skilled defensemen have to duck out of the way of heat-seeking dullards like Cal Clutterbuck and Ryan Reaves well after the puck is gone.

You ignored my core point, which is that the reason guys get rid of the puck quickly is because the hit is coming. If they aren't worried about the hit, then they'll hold onto the puck longer. Thus will the puck still be there and the hit will come anyhow. Checks get finished because the line between puck possession and not is so very thin. The league has set a rule based on a reasonable amount of time to bail out once the puck is gone. They understand that it can't be instant and that the fear of the check is a strategic advantage. Clutterbuck and Reaves aren't dullards. They're weapons. And good ones. Their skill sets just aren't the ones you value.

EDIT: And it turns out you know that too... are they dullards or elite athletes who can process the game quickly?

 

[Langway]

There's a ton of teams needing to dump salary to restructure and not that many takers. CHI, DET, ANA and ARI ought to be primed to add quality assets. CAR should be positioned to do well. BUF and CBJ ought to be able to add a piece. The tight cap market should also squeeze secondary free agents and put pressure on teams to use buyouts. Going to be a quite an active off-season league-wide with so many teams looking to restructure.



Seems like there may be a market for Mantha.

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

There's a ton of teams needing to dump salary to restructure and not that many takers. CHI, DET, ANA and ARI ought to be primed to add quality assets. CAR should be positioned to do well. BUF and CBJ ought to be able to add a piece. The tight cap market should also squeeze secondary free agents and put pressure on teams to use buyouts. Going to be a quite an active off-season league-wide with so many teams looking to restructure.



Seems like there may be a market for Mantha.

Sure, a trade market looking to acquire him on the cheap. Caps will be lucky to get a 3rd round pick in return.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

There's a ton of teams needing to dump salary to restructure and not that many takers. CHI, DET, ANA and ARI ought to be primed to add quality assets. CAR should be positioned to do well. BUF and CBJ ought to be able to add a piece. The tight cap market should also squeeze secondary free agents and put pressure on teams to use buyouts. Going to be a quite an active off-season league-wide with so many teams looking to restructure.



Seems like there may be a market for Mantha.

Devils in the lower limit, Wow they could go shopping. Would they want more Ex caps Kuzy or Mantha? Would we trade them in division?

Canes and Krak also look to have cap space to be buyers

 

[Langway]

Sure, a trade market looking to acquire him on the cheap. Caps will be lucky to get a 3rd round pick in return.

That's fine.

The Devils have to lock up Bratt & Meier first, which should eat up quite a bit but they should be able to either target a starter or more F depth.

 

[g00n]

NHL players are elite athletes that have made it this far in their hockey careers in large part because they can process the game quickly. I have full faith that these remarkable athletes who make split second decisions on the ice all the time can make split second decisions to bail out of hits when the opponent gets rid of the puck. They simply choose not to bail out of hits because there's no incentive not to absolutely demolish their opponent. If there is an incentive, say by being assessed an interference call, then I'm sure you'll see a lot more letting up in situations that would have otherwise been deemed "unavoidable contact."

As an example from another league NFL pass-rushers learned very quickly how to bail out of hitting the quarterback when the rules were changed to protect quarterbacks from getting demolished well after the ball leaves their hands. I'm sure NHL players could do similar. I have faith in them!

Nah you're reaching here and still not addressing the points I made.

 

[Corby78]

There's a ton of teams needing to dump salary to restructure and not that many takers. CHI, DET, ANA and ARI ought to be primed to add quality assets. CAR should be positioned to do well. BUF and CBJ ought to be able to add a piece. The tight cap market should also squeeze secondary free agents and put pressure on teams to use buyouts. Going to be a quite an active off-season league-wide with so many teams looking to restructure.



Seems like there may be a market for Mantha.

Gooooood…… Very gooooood.

 

[usiel]

Devils in the lower limit, Wow they could go shopping. Would they want more Ex caps Kuzy or Mantha? Would we trade them in division?

Canes and Krak also look to have cap space to be buyers

Devils could use some size on the wing. Sure Mantha is not super physical but he can certainly puck protect better than the generally smallish wingers the devils had as they seemed to get worn down as the Canes seem noticeably bigger and more physical as that series went on.

 

[Marshall]

Devils could use some size on the wing. Sure Mantha is not super physical but he can certainly puck protect better than the generally smallish wingers the devils had as they seemed to get worn down as the Canes seem noticeably bigger and more physical as that series went on.

That's a interesting link.

Also, the Caps would play against him regularly.

 

[Brian23]

So mighta hurt himself worse.