Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines/etc) | 2023-24 Regular Season Edition

[Hivemind]

I think Lindgren's value is probably as high as it will ever get, and they should look to trade him this season.

 

[Kuz]

Goalie situations and defence is pretty much already in place for the next year. Either they trade one of Kuemper/Lindgren and can start testing Stevenson and Shepard as a backup in the NHL or they will have both next year aswell.

On defence Carlson, Jensen, Bear and TVR are signed on the right side so they might even look at trade options for one this year. On the left they have Fehervary and Alexeyev signed while Sandin will be resigned. Already at 7 defenceman. Edmundson will probably be traded this year. Then you have Aktell and Johansen who might be resigned. Interested to see Iorio aswell. Would have wanted an increase in production this year, but he is a defensive defenceman.

Forwards is where things are interesting and spots will open up.

NAK and Malenstyn on outgoing contracts while Dowd might be traded will mean that we might need to put together an entirely new 4th line. CMM will be resigned. Then you have Mantha and Pac who might not be here next year.

Center depth if Kuzy is gone will be Strome-CMM-Lapierre-Sgarbossa. Might test Protas as center aswell. Caps should look for a free agent. If they have Back and Kuznetsov salary next year they could overpay for a short term solution like Duchene. Would definetely help with the scoring problem this team have.

Wingers they will have: Ovi, Oshie, Protas, Wilson, Milano from this years team and might sign back some of NAK, Malenstyn, Phillips, Mantha. Then Miroshnichenko should get more time next year. They will also have salary for a free agent.

 

[pman25]

If the value is there, you do it otherwise we just keep them! Not too complicated

 

[Misery74]

Goalie situations and defence is pretty much already in place for the next year. Either they trade one of Kuemper/Lindgren and can start testing Stevenson and Shepard as a backup in the NHL or they will have both next year aswell.

On defence Carlson, Jensen, Bear and TVR are signed on the right side so they might even look at trade options for one this year. On the left they have Fehervary and Alexeyev signed while Sandin will be resigned. Already at 7 defenceman. Edmundson will probably be traded this year. Then you have Aktell and Johansen who might be resigned. Interested to see Iorio aswell. Would have wanted an increase in production this year, but he is a defensive defenceman.

Forwards is where things are interesting and spots will open up.

NAK and Malenstyn on outgoing contracts while Dowd might be traded will mean that we might need to put together an entirely new 4th line. CMM will be resigned. Then you have Mantha and Pac who might not be here next year.

Center depth if Kuzy is gone will be Strome-CMM-Lapierre-Sgarbossa. Might test Protas as center aswell. Caps should look for a free agent. If they have Back and Kuznetsov salary next year they could overpay for a short term solution like Duchene. Would definetely help with the scoring problem this team have.

Wingers they will have: Ovi, Oshie, Protas, Wilson, Milano from this years team and might sign back some of NAK, Malenstyn, Phillips, Mantha. Then Miroshnichenko should get more time next year. They will also have salary for a free agent.

I think Duchene is largely a winger now, but I had the same thought.

 

[aonb]

Johansen is an extremely lazy, inconsistent piece of garbage. Stay away from him in any trade

 

[Kazer]

Timing would work for us for once. Goalie market is on demand this year and we have two good options to offer.

Devils & Oilers are desperate for a goalie, with couple other teams in the mix aswell.

Shephard has propably deserved a shot to have a longer look at NHL and we dont likely have much to play for the last 20 games. Stevenson is progressing fast and could benefit for getting a taste too, he might even be ready from the training camp.

And if neither works out yet, we still have a nr1 for next season and signing a backup from FA isnt that hard assignment.

Lindgren will be out of his contract next season and if he keeps this up he is in for a good raise. We are already paying Kuemper starter money. Propably one is gone after next year anyways. Sure you can push the decision for next TDL, but right now the value is propably at high point and we arent going anywhere this season. Goalie play is voodoo, Charlie could lose his edge and value and/or there might not be the market for goalies next year.

It just would make sense from asset management view, and where we are now. But you are right, they propably wont trade a NHL goalie with term. Especially after struggling with the position for years since prime Holtby, theres risks too.

If a team is willing to offer something of value for Lindgren (I'd say a 2nd+ or a similar level prospect) to me you would be crazy not to take it. Worst case, the team isn't going to be competing for a cup either way, and we know Shepard can be a viable backup if needed. Best case, Clay comes in and does well at the NHL level.

Clay may be an AHL rookie, but he is also 24 years old. Based on his birthdate, he would have been first eligible to be drafted in 2017. 12 goalies from the 2017 draft have already made their NHL debut with 4 clearly established in at least co-starting roles (Oettinger; Skinner starters with Swayman, Luukkonen in co-starting roles). If he's ready, he's ready.

By the time the Ovechkin era is over, Lindgren is going to be mid 30s. I'm not trading him for a bag of peanuts, but I would move him for the right price.

 

[twabby]

My hot take is that they should consider re-signing Mantha.

He's likely not going to return much in a trade. Maybe a late second round pick if they fully retain?

In addition I highly doubt his next contract is going to be very expensive or long, so the risk is low. I suspect that despite his impacts being quite good his reputation around the league is in the toilet.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I‘d sign him to a 1 year deal…..tops. Keep him hungry or we know what he becomes…I’ll take the 2nd.

 

[trick9]

I'll take 2nd round pick for him.

If he wants back in the summer, sure, for half of what he's paid now and 1-year contract. Then in a year, i'll take another pick for him.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I'll take 2nd round pick for him.

If he wants back in the summer, sure, for half of what he's paid now and 1-year contract. Then in a year, i'll take another pick for him.

Playing his side for a minute, if he came back after a trade this year, and if the Caps were open to a 1 year deal, he would probably ask for a NTC as part of his “prove it” package….for that year. Can’t keep bouncing the guy and his family around…

 

[g00n]

Has gmbm ever given out a 1yr contract with a NTC?

 

[itsjustsurvival]

Has gmbm ever given out a 1yr contract with a NTC?

Pacioretty has a NMC.

 

[Roshi]

My hot take is that they should consider re-signing Mantha.

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He's likely not going to return much in a trade. Maybe a late second round pick if they fully retain?

In addition I highly doubt his next contract is going to be very expensive or long, so the risk is low. I suspect that despite his impacts being quite good his reputation around the league is in the toilet.

I suspect Mantha even wants to resign here. Hasnt been a good run for him with the Caps, his PP time is unlikely to grow a lot neither to let him try to ”revive his career”, and, well the team isnt good.

If I was Mantha i would bet on myself and look for a change of scenery and short contract with a team that has open top6/pp spot with a good playmaker.

 

[g00n]

Pacioretty has a NMC.

Thanks. Not listed on spotrac but is on capfriendly.

Patches' contract is only 2M for a veteran with another 2M in bonuses, iirc. He probably traded value and term for the NMC. Not sure Mantha could get a similar deal or $ that would work for him.

 

[trick9]

Playing his side for a minute, if he came back after a trade this year, and if the Caps were open to a 1 year deal, he would probably ask for a NTC as part of his “prove it” package….for that year. Can’t keep bouncing the guy and his family around…

That's fair. Despite his somewhat bounce back season, i'm more than happy to move on.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Thanks. Not listed on spotrac but is on capfriendly.

Patches' contract is only 2M for a veteran with another 2M in bonuses, iirc. He probably traded value and term for the NMC. Not sure Mantha could get a similar deal or $ that would work for him.

You think a lot of people were lining up to give Patches term? I don’t think he had any offers like that to barter with myself.

I‘m saying if I’m Mantha and I was traded this year, and decided I wanted back to DC (and they wanted me) on a reasonable 1 year prove it deal, I would ask for a NMC because the Caps will haven already traded me once and gotten their value, seems fair….I wouldn’t want to go through that yoyo again with a young family.

That said, I hope we move on….

 

[g00n]

You think a lot of people were lining up to give Patches term? I don’t.

I‘m saying if I’m Mantha and I was traded this year, and decided I wanted back to DC (and they wanted me) on a reasonable 1 year prove it deal, I would ask for a NMC because the Caps will haven already traded me once and gotten their value….I wouldn’t want to go through that yoyo again with a young family.

I understand what you wrote. He can ask for whatever he wants. He won't get it.

I think Patches could've gotten a 2yr deal somewhere but was happy to come to DC and play with Ovie. He was still productive before his injury/injuries. The only question was whether the achilles would hold up. A 2yr deal with less certainty would've been possible somewhere.

Back to Mantha, I don't think he wants a short term deal. He's 29. He's probably looking for a BIG payday to carry him to 35 or beyond, similar to Wilson. Caps won't offer that, and he likely won't take a 1yr deal to kick the can down the road, imo.

We've seen this from him before. He surges in a contract year and then becomes a professional mouthguard chewer as soon as the fresh ink dries. It's like some kind of psychological trick. Don't fall for the siren call.

If we're out of it trade him asap for good value and don't put any long term contracts in front of him under any circumstances. Essentially, understand he's going to move on.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I understand what you wrote. He can ask for whatever he wants. He won't get it.

I think Patches could've gotten a 2yr deal somewhere but was happy to come to DC and play with Ovie. He was still productive before his injury/injuries. The only question was whether the achilles would hold up. A 2yr deal with less certainty would've been possible somewhere.

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Back to Mantha, I don't think he wants a short term deal. He's 29. He's probably looking for a BIG payday to carry him to 35 or beyond, similar to Wilson. Caps won't offer that, and he likely won't take a 1yr deal to kick the can down the road, imo.

We've seen this from him before. He surges in a contract year and then becomes a professional mouthguard chewer as soon as the fresh ink dries. It's like some kind of psychological trick. Don't fall for the siren call.

If we're out of it trade him asap for good value and don't put any long term contracts in front of him under any circumstances. Essentially, understand he's going to move on.

Then it’s not a good fit if he’s willing to take a 1year pay cut to try and prove himself worthy of an extension here and the Caps won’t promise not to trade him a second time.

Of course he’s looking for a longterm deal Capt Obvious….and nah on Patches….nobody was offering term at $2-4 mil for a guy coming off his second Achilles in short time.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

Capitals place Matthew Phillips on waivers.

Someone needs to conduct a welfare check on Twabby.

 

[Cappy76]

Capitals place Matthew Phillips on waivers.

Someone needs to conduct a welfare check on Twabby.

Sounds like Milano is back Saturday for sure then.

 

[Hivemind]

Wish they had given Phillips more of a real chance to establish himself on an offensive line. There were only two stretches all year where he got more than 12 minutes/night for 4 games in a row. In 9 of his 27 games he got less than 10 minutes.
Oh well.

 

[Strawberry Fields]

Odds that he clears? It would help us in Hershey make up for the losses of Sgarbossa and Frank (assuming he's still out).

 

[Capitals40]

Odds that he clears? It would help us in Hershey make up for the losses of Sgarbossa and Frank (assuming he's still out).

95 %

 

[g00n]

Then it’s not a good fit if he’s willing to take a 1year pay cut to try and prove himself worthy of an extension here and the Caps won’t promise not to trade him a second time.

Of course he’s looking for a longterm deal Capt Obvious….and nah on Patches….nobody was offering term at $2-4 mil for a guy coming off his second Achilles in short time.

No need to get snippy.

Do you know for sure nobody wanted Patches? I never said he would get the same money. I think I said he was trading money/term for the NMC and performance bonuses. Yes, that's pretty obvious, right?

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

No need to get snippy.

Do you know for sure nobody wanted Patches? I never said he would get the same money. I said he was trading money for the NMC and performance bonuses. Yes, that's pretty obvious, right?

Do you know for sure they did? 2 Achilles in less than 2 years, lasted 5 games the last time back….What’s obvious to me is he didn’t have many opportunities…..after all he came here…..where there were ton of questions heading into this season…most of which have turned out bad after the fact….