Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

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Brian23

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I thought it was interesting that Leonsis used "I" here instead of "we" or even "George."

"I'm not gonna do what I did last time and trade everybody," said Leonsis, in reference to the total teardown the Capitals endured roughly 20 years ago that resulted in them selecting Ovechkin with the first overall pick in the 2004 draft.
Dunno about then, but since they fired Boudreau it's seemed pretty apparent that the overal macro decisions were coming with/from Ted. I think Oates was him, though I'm sure GMGM was involved. I thought Hunter was a favor Ted called in. I thought it was evident that Ted loved Reirden and was kinda done with Trotz by the end, though probably only in a professional sense.

It's why I try to pump the breaks on the GMBM hate, He obviously gets some micro-decision making authority, as I doubt Ted is involve with filling out the bottom of the rosters, but I'm not sure it's his call on whether we're breaking up the band or making drastic changes to the core.
 

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I thought it was interesting that Leonsis used "I" here instead of "we" or even "George."

"I'm not gonna do what I did last time and trade everybody," said Leonsis, in reference to the total teardown the Capitals endured roughly 20 years ago that resulted in them selecting Ovechkin with the first overall pick in the 2004 draft.
I mean it was his call. Nobody else’s….
 

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I thought it was interesting that Leonsis used "I" here instead of "we" or even "George."

"I'm not gonna do what I did last time and trade everybody," said Leonsis, in reference to the total teardown the Capitals endured roughly 20 years ago that resulted in them selecting Ovechkin with the first overall pick in the 2004 draft.
I feel like a decision that big would need an owner's approval (and thus, the appropriate responsibility taken) without being an indicator of outright micro/macromanagement in a way that handcuffs the franchise.

If your GM comes to you and says "here are the ways we can play this" and you sign off on a full rebuild that's on you, so I can see what he's saying without implying an element of mismanagement.
 

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We know that Leonsis/Patrick have input on head coaching hires and setting team budgets. We don't know if they engage in any "meddling" beyond that. Obviously very large decisions, such as total rebuilds or superstar contracts/trades, that could impact the bottom line of the entire organization are going to be things that get run up the chain of command.
 

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We know that Leonsis/Patrick have input on head coaching hires and setting team budgets. We don't know if they engage in any "meddling" beyond that. Obviously very large decisions, such as total rebuilds or superstar contracts/trades, that could impact the bottom line of the entire organization are going to be things that get run up the chain of command.
I just think it's an easy jump to make, especially when you take into account the handling of the Wizards and just general media filings. It seems more like the GM is a super scout and the coach is his equal in player ops and Ted and Dick are the ones atop that pyramid.
 
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One of the things Ted has done exceptionally well with the Caps (not so much the wiz) is build culture. In his early years he was easily accessible in email and then twitter. I had several email exchanges with him back in the day. Rock the Red was a culture move. They prioritize culture in the players they sign. they are loyal in the way they do contracts. The Caps culture is widely spoken about by players that come into the organization.

Bottom line: Culture matters. It leads to wins. It’s leads to building value in the franchise. It’s why the Caps have been good for so long and the Rangers continue to suck. You can’t just trade out players constantly and spend big money to win.
 

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One of the things Ted has done exceptionally well with the Caps (not so much the wiz) is build culture. In his early years he was easily accessible in email and then twitter. I had several email exchanges with him back in the day. Rock the Red was a culture move. They prioritize culture in the players they sign. they are loyal in the way they do contracts. The Caps culture is widely spoken about by players that come into the organization.

Bottom line: Culture matters. It leads to wins. It’s leads to building value in the franchise. It’s why the Caps have been good for so long and the Rangers continue to suck. You can’t just trade out players constantly and spend big money to win.
Lol I had a few conversations with him too. He always had a snarky response to everything i said. In hindsight i was much younger back then and i supposed Ted did not appreciate some young guy teaching him how to run an NHL franchise

This is from one of our conversations:
I dont talk to Bruce about line combos--when you in coach of the year in NHL--I will listen to you; deal? Ted
 

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Fever, Eller, Beck, and Kuemper all skating this morning, per the beat writers. Kuemper is taking shots for the first time but Shepard is on the ice as well so he hasn’t been reassigned yet. Sideburns has been playing so well that they can afford to be extra cautious with Kuemper. I actually don’t know how you take the net from Chuckie right now with how well he and the team are playing.
 

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A pretty thin group.
I find Duclair interesting. $3M cap hit this year and next and is a versatile forward. If Florida has to get rid of him for cap space I hope BMac and team gives it some thought. Probably wouldn’t work because of needing to reserve cap space for the return of 19 and 43 and there’s certainly a risk that Duclair doesn’t come back the same player since Achilles injuries can be pretty brutal but he’s probably one of the top buy-low candidates available.
 
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I still think Chychrun may be the single biggest upgrade they could realistically make given the flimsiness of their Carlson partners. But he's got definite durability issues and the cost will be significant. LD overall I'd say in playoff circumstances may be the weakest link but I doubt Edmundson or Gavrikov are the solution. They could be defensively but I think you'd want more overall upside to make it worth it.

5v5 scoring is a structural issue that I don't know they can address via trade all that easily. Does Meier or Kane really change the look of them 5v5? Kane would be interesting. Toews even would be interesting from an IQ standpoint, ignoring center logjam concerns. But I don't know that there's a final piece available. Their style is what it is. Whoever they add will more likely conform to it than singularly control the pace of play. It's an awfully high bar to find that sort of difference maker. O'Reilly has the two-way sense--again ignoring center logjam concerns--but probably not the pace. Horvat's having a hell of a year but altogether isn't a game-changer. It's a short list of forwards that would bring that level of dynamism to the table.

Maybe they don't need that all that. But there's not an obvious target IMO, particularly if they do need to attach Mantha to make it happen. They mainly just need to invest in what they've got, Mantha in particular, and see how far it takes them. NYI/NYR/DET/FLA could up the ante on them and force them to consider upgrades but if they're in a solid playoff spot I wonder if they'll just let it ride.
 

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I still think Chychrun may be the single biggest upgrade they could realistically make given the flimsiness of their Carlson partners. But he's got definite durability issues and the cost will be significant. LD overall I'd say in playoff circumstances may be the weakest link but I doubt Edmundson or Gavrikov are the solution. They could be defensively but I think you'd want more overall upside to make it worth it.

5v5 scoring is a structural issue that I don't know they can address via trade all that easily. Does Meier or Kane really change the look of them 5v5? Kane would be interesting. Toews even would be interesting from an IQ standpoint, ignoring center logjam concerns. But I don't know that there's a final piece available. Their style is what it is. Whoever they add will more likely conform to it than singularly control the pace of play. It's an awfully high bar to find that sort of difference maker. O'Reilly has the two-way sense--again ignoring center logjam concerns--but probably not the pace. Horvat's having a hell of a year but altogether isn't a game-changer. It's a short list of forwards that would bring that level of dynamism to the table.

Maybe they don't need that all that. But there's not an obvious target IMO, particularly if they do need to attach Mantha to make it happen. They mainly just need to invest in what they've got, Mantha in particular, and see how far it takes them. NYI/NYR/DET/FLA could up the ante on them and force them to consider upgrades but if they're in a solid playoff spot I wonder if they'll just let it ride.
I agree re Chychrun. Maybe a package including one of CMM/Iorio+ would be a starting point. If they’re committed to the continued short term “win now” attitude through the rest of Ovi’s contract, then finding a legit LD partner for Carlson may make the biggest impact in the playoffs. Lavi’s system is predicated so much on D activating - so let Carlson jump up in the o-zone, with a partner that can more than make up for his deficiencies.

These youngsters, that should be graduating in the next couple years, likely won’t be impact playoff-ready players in time, so screw it: get Ovi help now. And by clearly upgrading 1LD, we can more easily let one of of Orlov/Jensen walk (preferably Jensen, with TvR moving up).

As far as generating more 5v5 offense, I think our biggest hope is just that Kuzy somehow gets his head together and plays like a 1C. Maybe Wilson returning to his line will help, since he’s been spending half the game complaining to the refs that he’s being hooked/slashed. TW may give him the space he needs to work. Moreover, if Mantha continues to play well, and gets moved up - then maybe he gets hot and lives up to his potential.
 

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Some analytics-backed optimism.


They had an easy-ish schedule for the past few weeks, but other teams have had easy schedules too and haven’t put up the same type of numbers Washington has.

Consider me a believer in them coming back and getting into the playoffs!
 

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One of the things Ted has done exceptionally well with the Caps (not so much the wiz) is build culture. In his early years he was easily accessible in email and then twitter. I had several email exchanges with him back in the day. Rock the Red was a culture move. They prioritize culture in the players they sign. they are loyal in the way they do contracts. The Caps culture is widely spoken about by players that come into the organization.

Bottom line: Culture matters. It leads to wins. It’s leads to building value in the franchise. It’s why the Caps have been good for so long and the Rangers continue to suck. You can’t just trade out players constantly and spend big money to win.
I remember when I was a teenager I emailed Ted asking to trade for a young Joe Thornton and he replied and said something like thats not something we can do and then the Sharks trade for him LOL
 
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