Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!
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Langway
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A newly-minted seven year extension is the absolute opposite of an impulse buy. They'll see what they can get out of Backstrom and if that winds up nixing much of any deadline moves they're probably fine with that. Between him and Wilson that's likely their needed shot in the arm. As long as they're on track to make the playoffs I'm not sure they'll add much of anything. Maybe a more experienced, versatile depth forward over Snively but that may be it (and even that could be filled by Malenstyn eventually).
Brian23
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I can't tell if I'm being asked to trade for JT Miller or being told too.
Rayquaza64
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if we dont trade for old jt miller a division rival is going to overpay for an old guy who is likely to never repeat his 99 point performance and we get a chance at bedard while keeping all our assets. that outcome would sure be a shame.
Vancouver got new management who re-signed both Boeser and Miller and now they wanna move both. Like your opportunity to rid yourselves of those guys was probably before you extended them!
Jags
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That's an interesting move, coming to another board to inform the folks there about their team. Some of them already took you for a ride, so let's just take your proposal at face value...
The Capitals are capped out. We have our marquee center on IR with real doubts about whether he'll play again or for how long if he tries. Him and our next top center account for $17 million in cap space. Then we have Strome, who is playing very well; Eller, who it seems we're married to and has been performing okay, too; and Dowd, a 4C that we like at a great price. Then we have two C prospects, at least one of whom figures to step in full-time next year.
You propose we trade our 1st plus a guy that makes no money for someone that makes $5.25m. So right off the bat we can't afford it. We also don't have a C spot for him unless we move someone strictly for futures cuz we can't take any salary back.
You're also supposing that Vancouver would trade a really great player for not a whole lot; like a shitload of teams wouldn't outbid that piddly package in a heartbeat.
Your idea doesn't hold up at all, and you're coming at us like WE don't know anything about hockey. Get yourself a mirror, STAT.
Rayquaza64
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Hivemind
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He'd still be worth the claim (although I doubt Lavi would give him any more of a significant role than he had in Nashville). But considering they aren't willing to give Snively any ice time, they might as well send him to Hershey. I would also like to see Protas get another stint on a higher line, at which point Tolvanen could see 4LW action in his place. But he was a tremendous low-risk, potentially very high-reward waiver claim, so it's perplexing the Capitals passed.
Well now it is confirmed what many have been saying for a long time. Ted committed to being competitive through the 895 chase. Thank God too, because i suffered through the rebuild in 2002 where we saw everyone leave. And we are going to see JC74, Oshie, and Kuzy play out their contracts. I think highly likely Orlov is resigned as well. I have no problem with any of that. Don’t worry though… there can still be considerable change next year.
RedRocking
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Ahh, but that suffering brought us Ovi, and so on.
1) The kids are well and truly f***ed. They are going to give Nick forever (like possibly into next season) to try and get right. Which he’s earned - but they really should move 1 of CMM/Lappy for immediate help elsewhere, if you have Kuzy/Strome/Nick? One kid?/Dowd going into next season. The point being neither CMM/Lappy are going to be playoff caliber top 6 guys within this “895 and playoffs” window. Same goes for Iorio within that timeframe.
2) This article should be pinned, and spammed all over these parts. That way we can constantly link to it, and be like - yea, sure, but here’s the plan, and no amount of complaining is gonna change it.
3) I hope I’ll feel differently about it if/when Ovi breaks the record. But organizing the long term health of a franchise around setting a record doesn’t sit right with me. I just have images of those stupid, losing Cowboys teams forcing the ball to Emmitt Smith.
Hopefully this chase won’t be as embarrassing as that. Will have to wait and see how they approach their flexibility this offseason.
Hivemind
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The proper title for that article should be "Capitals won't rebuild, will instead lose majority of 11 UFAs for no return"
While I love the 2), and sorta agree 1) (exception; we might still trade Kuzy or Strome and make room for kids aswell), Im not completely on the same page with 3).
Firstly, it doesnt necessarily mean you have to sacrifice long term health to achieve this. You can still build up the framework for the time-after. And secondly, even if it would sacrifice some long term health, thats only a drop in the sea of time. Whats a year or two in the mix of breaking all time record, with the actual understanding of the possibility that you just f it up anyways and achieve nothing.
Normally you have to suffer a lot more than we did in the early 2000s to land on a generational talent.
I agree with you, I just felt it was a long shot they’d claim him for the reasons I listed before. The Nashville connection is also a good point — BMac probably asked Lavi what he thought and Lavi said no… which I find strange because he seems like a Lavi-type player except he’s not over the age of 30 so maybe that’s why he was disqualified from consideration.
Christmas/early next year. He’s been skating with the team and is going on this quick road trip with them. If everything goes well I expect we’ll see him out of his no-contact jersey and then it’ll just be a matter of making sure he’s comfortable and safe to play.
Langway
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While I'm typically pretty skeptical of their vision from a Cup level standpoint I don't think the Smith parallels will apply. Dallas went 5-11 in each of Smith's final three seasons so that level of sustained decline should be fairly easily avoidable. They'll be more competitive. I don't think it becomes a sad circus event. It may become a bit stale if they don't manage to integrate some new faces into the mix but they'll have that opportunity, albeit likely without a great deal of patience toward developing on the fly.
Ovechkin has another three seasons at least after this one. That's enough time for some of the existing youth to graduate. Whether it's enough to make a dent in the playoffs at least partially comes down to other core dynamics and organizational discipline that more easily enables/insulates them. I think it's conceivable if Lapierre & Iorio are legit they could help. It's more a matter of whether they'll fill roles in the near-term. Do they want more of a checking type 3C? Do they extend Jensen & TVR?
It's McMichael mostly where I wonder where or if there's a role for him as-is. But with Lavi's status also in some question there's a lot still unresolved. Either way if CMM is not much of a dogged two-way C then is his near-term future on the wing? If it's on the wing that work I guess will have to come on the fly next season and you wonder if they'll be overly interested in it. If it is indeed on the wing then, yeah, his value as a potential center elsewhere is probably greater than it is to them within this window. I doubt they'll move Miro or their first rounder to increase their chances this season so I think they're trying to strike the right balance throughout here. Ultimately, again, I tend to focus mostly on 92/74 in whether within their framework they've got enough impact. If they're not right then structurally I don't know if buy-in, discipline and depth are enough of a differentiator. Structurally I think the pivot points are mostly right there.
He’s on IR but it’s retro to the date he was hurt so he’s eligible to play tonight if he’s healthy. He was on the ice yesterday for the first time since his injury so he seems to be making progress and luckily it doesn’t seem that serious. I can’t imagine he’d be on the ice this quickly if it was a longer term thing.
You’re more than welcome to post here just as many fans from other teams do but no need for the personal stuff if someone doesn’t understand something or disagrees with you. Leave that stuff out of the discussion or take your commentary elsewhere.
ovikovy817
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RedRocking
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Yea, that’s all true. I guess I go back and forth on it. I love Ovi, the chase is fun, and frankly amazing. And a few middling seasons are nothing compared to making history. But, they’re basically still going to be counting on him to be their best player at ages 38-40.
Whereas, they should be trying to develop, or acquire another 30 goal scorer (I know, they’ve tried with Mantha) and/or another dynamic play driver. And if by age 40, Ovi has to play sheltered middle six minutes, plus the PP, they shouldn’t be so opposed to it (as Ted’s statements suggest). That’s the clown show I worry about: playing Ovi 18 mins a night as a shell of himself. But, Ovi is a freak of nature, so he’ll probably be just fine.
I hope there will be room for guys to graduate, and we see more examples like Protas, that move the org into the future. And if not, then that’s why you maybe deal some of the CMM/Lappy/Iorio pieces for immediate playoff help. However, guys like Miro/Chelsey/Suds are far enough away that they wouldn’t be a factor until after the window regardless, so you still have them in the pipeline.
All in all, the decisions made this offseason will show how flexible they intend to be during Ovi’s final three years. Some of Ted’s statements just kinda rubbed me the wrong way for some reason.
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Jags
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I think they can do a version of all of this IF they concede that everyone but Ovi is expendable, and especially if Backstrom either comes back healthy enough to be an impact 2C or retires. With that kind of cap flexibility and the cap being back on the rise, we can use free agency and trades like we have been. We'd just need to be way more aggressive if we really want to be a playoff team with any kind of real shot.
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Jags
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Depends on what he wants though. He's certainly playing like he's worth more than $3.5, but he'll want a sexy number if we want term, and there's a real chance he never lives up to that number. I like how he's been playing, but he's still a question mark. I'd prefer to bridge him until all the haziness surrounding Backstrom and McMichael starts to clear up.
That's the tricky thing about really trying to compete with Ovi: Having 10m tied up in a declining player makes it that much more crucial to get every possible bit of performance out of the rest of the roster. We can't afford to have a big contract fail (or keep our current big contracts that are either failing or starting to fail). And all that is way harder while Backstrom's $9.2m is also still in flux.
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