Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[Marshall]

I think the Caps like their defense as-is, pretty-much, and still kinda feel like they're going to try and hold on until at least Whip comes back. (Whether or not I agree with this is not relevant, just my guess as to where they are at.)

I'm honestly not sure what options the Caps have: salary likely has to go out in a trade, they have to brace for 14+ mil coming back on the books within a month...doesn't seem like a lot of wiggle room to me?

 

[Stan Galiev]

I’m of the opinion that Miro is untouchable. He fell into our laps. He is a lottery pick level prospect if 100% healthy which it seems like he is. He is the kind of guy that can change a franchise.

 

[Rayquaza64]

Trading Miro while we're a bubble team unless its for a higher end young player with plenty of RFA years left (which dont just fall out of the sky to be available in the trade market) doesn't seem like a good strategy in my opinion

 

[ClevelandCapsfan]

I’m of the opinion that Miro is untouchable. He fell into our laps. He is a lottery pick level prospect if 100% healthy which it seems like he is. He is the kind of guy that can change a franchise.

Top 6 maybe but change a franchise?

 

[Hivemind]

I’m of the opinion that Miro is untouchable. He fell into our laps. He is a lottery pick level prospect if 100% healthy which it seems like he is. He is the kind of guy that can change a franchise.

I would just like to point out this from an account named Stan Galiev

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

I could see Miro ending up with Tarasenko or Semin upside

 

[Stan Galiev]

I would just like to point out this from an account named Stan Galiev

My favorite player that never made it

 

[Langway]

I believe today is the first day in quite a while both Micah's playoff projections and Dom's at The Athletic have had the Caps in the playoffs (WC2). Moneypuck still not quite there (OTT of all teams barely edging them out).

Harsh to say but Letang's medical situation and the recent play of FLA/NYR have the door wide open.

 

[um]

I’m of the opinion that Miro is untouchable. He fell into our laps. He is a lottery pick level prospect if 100% healthy which it seems like he is. He is the kind of guy that can change a franchise.

I'm still waiting for HHOFer Fehervary to break out.

Any day now...

 

[Midnight Judges]

I love these stretches where there is a game every other night.

 

[Calicaps]

Caps have a SC now, HoF players or soon to be HoF, an owner not afraid to spend, and a big metropolitan area with fast transit to other big metropolis areas. Additionally, they still have Ovy. If this was 1997, I would say the Caps have no chance at attracting nice UFAs or no trade clause players. This organization has made a tremendous upswing during the Ovy area in terms of attractiveness and respectability for UFAs and as a NHL franchise. Even before the Ovy era, the Caps regularly made the playoffs and known for hard workers. The days of an old Phil Housley as your top UFA signing are over imho. Now, when the Caps start losing regularly, the salary cap keeps some of the winning teams from signing all the attractive UFAs.

Oh, I would have to say taxes play a big part in UFA destination. If I were in those players shoes, it sure would for me. It would be Texas, Florida, Washington for me .

To clarify Washington state, not D.C.

The tax stuff is a red herring. I live in WA state now and yeah, no state income taxes, but our property and sales taxes are high. States need revenue and they get it one way or another.

 

[Hivemind]

Also regarding state taxes - it only applies to the 41 home games (plus any other games played at other teams in the same state). They pay the state tax rate of away venues at that venue's tax rate. Technically all work should be handled that way, but there's no practical method to handle that in most cases. However, professional athletes are high profile its easy accessible public knowledge as to where they played on any evening, so it gets applied to them. See "jock tax"

Jock tax - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[YippieKaey]

I could see Miro ending up with Tarasenko or Semin upside

He also seems to like hitting, so an Ovi lite perhaps

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Sammy seems to have found new life in To. Go figure…

 

[PlushMinus]

Okay I was looking at Norris trophy winners earlier and I have to ask this - even though I know I risk some harsh responses (especially since one of the regulars here has the player's name as his userid).

What made Rod Langway so special that he won back to back Norris trophies in 82-83 and 83-84? I wasn't watching hockey way back then, so all I am seeing is a few online bios / blurbs that talk about his leadership and that he more or less turned the Caps from wooden spooners into a playoff team. The stats (obviously) don't tell the story (223rd and 211th in points the seasons he won the Norris).

It really seems like he is the classic example of the true purpose of the Norris trophy, which I believe is SUPPOSED to be awarded to the player who best exemplifies playing the defensive position (as opposed to a points race, which it seems to have been for a long time now).

 

[RedRocking]

Okay I was looking at Norris trophy winners earlier and I have to ask this - even though I know I risk some harsh responses (especially since one of the regulars here has the player's name as his userid).

What made Rod Langway so special that he won back to back Norris trophies in 82-83 and 83-84? I wasn't watching hockey way back then, so all I am seeing is a few online bios / blurbs that talk about his leadership and that he more or less turned the Caps from wooden spooners into a playoff team. The stats (obviously) don't tell the story (223rd and 211th in points the seasons he won the Norris).

It really seems like he is the classic example of the true purpose of the Norris trophy, which I believe is SUPPOSED to be awarded to the player who best exemplifies playing the defensive position (as opposed to a points race, which it seems to have been for a long time now).

I was pretty young going to the Caps Center back in those days, so can’t say I had a great understanding of what I was watching. I just remember him out there, striding around without a helmet, crunching dudes, and killing penalties.

I think in the ‘84 season he was also top 3 for the Hart, cause I remember being bowled over that “our guy” was on any list with Gretzky (having someone like Ovi was a pipe dream to this young Caps fan).

But, yea I think you got the crux of it - back then the Norris was about defensive impact, not points. He seemed to fix a lot of issues, inspire teammates, and lower the GA, as soon as he arrived. And the team went from also-ran to perennial playoff team. There was a certain mystique around him.

The only offense I can remember from him was an OT playoff winner against the Rangers, like in the late 80s?

Maybe someone who was older, or just more knowledgeable at the time can provide more specifics.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Sammy seems to have found new life in To. Go figure…

Coaching. Also, Sammy is being given a 2nd chance with a new team.

 

[PlushMinus]

I was pretty young going to the Caps Center back in those days, so can’t say I had a great understanding of what I was watching. I just remember him out there, striding around without a helmet, crunching dudes, and killing penalties.

I think in the ‘84 season he was also top 3 for the Hart, cause I remember being bowled over that “our guy” was on any list with Gretzky (having someone like Ovi was a pipe dream to this young Caps fan).

But, yea I think you got the crux of it - back then the Norris was about defensive impact, not points. He seemed to fix a lot of issues, inspire teammates, and lower the GA, as soon as he arrived. And the team went from also-ran to perennial playoff team. There was a certain mystique around him.

The only offense I can remember from him was an OT playoff winner against the Rangers, like in the late 80s?

Maybe someone who was older, or just more knowledgeable at the time can provide more specifics.

Interesting to hear these memories! I also saw on Wkipedia that his nickname was "Secretary of Defense" so now I know why one of our board members has that username

 

[zappa4ever]

Okay I was looking at Norris trophy winners earlier and I have to ask this - even though I know I risk some harsh responses (especially since one of the regulars here has the player's name as his userid).

What made Rod Langway so special that he won back to back Norris trophies in 82-83 and 83-84? I wasn't watching hockey way back then, so all I am seeing is a few online bios / blurbs that talk about his leadership and that he more or less turned the Caps from wooden spooners into a playoff team. The stats (obviously) don't tell the story (223rd and 211th in points the seasons he won the Norris).

It really seems like he is the classic example of the true purpose of the Norris trophy, which I believe is SUPPOSED to be awarded to the player who best exemplifies playing the defensive position (as opposed to a points race, which it seems to have been for a long time now).

Think Alzner but smarter, stronger, much more physical, better positioning and a better nose profile

Basically he was the rock, the immovable object, a steady eddie who always was in the right position

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Think Alzner but smarter, stronger, much more physical, better positioning and a better nose profile

Basically he was the rock, the immovable object, a steady eddie who always was in the right position

He was so incredibly dominant in his own end….defensively just fantastic and could out physical anyone in the league….often multiple opponent forwards at the same time on a shift…..

They broke the mold with Rod for defensive defensemen.

 

[kicksavedave]

Okay I was looking at Norris trophy winners earlier and I have to ask this - even though I know I risk some harsh responses (especially since one of the regulars here has the player's name as his userid).

What made Rod Langway so special that he won back to back Norris trophies in 82-83 and 83-84? I wasn't watching hockey way back then, so all I am seeing is a few online bios / blurbs that talk about his leadership and that he more or less turned the Caps from wooden spooners into a playoff team. The stats (obviously) don't tell the story (223rd and 211th in points the seasons he won the Norris).

It really seems like he is the classic example of the true purpose of the Norris trophy, which I believe is SUPPOSED to be awarded to the player who best exemplifies playing the defensive position (as opposed to a points race, which it seems to have been for a long time now).

Think of all the gaffes we routinely see Carlson make these days, then imagine a big strong tough player who never makes any of those gaffes and is always making the right play on defense. Langway was just a legit shutdown defenseman, during an era when that could win one a Norris. No chance of that type of player winning it today.


There really should be a Bobby Orr (or Paul Coffey?) trophy for offensive defenseman and the Norris goes to the guy who actually, plays defense.

 

[Empty Goal Net]

Think of all the gaffes we routinely see Carlson make these days, then imagine a big strong tough player who never makes any of those gaffes and is always making the right play on defense. Langway was just a legit shutdown defenseman, during an era when that could win one a Norris. No chance of that type of player winning it today.


There really should be a Bobby Orr (or Paul Coffey?) trophy for offensive defenseman and the Norris goes to the guy who actually, plays defense.

... and Langway benefited from playing in an era when d-men could basically bear-hug opponents against the boards to prevent their movement. His presence definitely made a difference for the team, regardless of his rather meagre offensive contributions. The Trade also brought an immeasurable amount of legitimacy to the franchise - Jarvis, Engblom and Langway were all on Cup-winning Habs teams.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

The tax stuff is a red herring. I live in WA state now and yeah, no state income taxes, but our property and sales taxes are high. States need revenue and they get it one way or another.

Agreed good buddy. When I lived there it was like eight percent sales tax. I was a young officer and rented so not sure how much the property taxes are there, although I'm sure they're high. This was like 20 years ago too. I lived like two hours or less from Oregon so folks would make major purchases in Oregon for things like TVs etc.

He was so incredibly dominant in his own end….defensively just fantastic and could out physical anyone in the league….often multiple opponent forwards at the same time on a shift…..

They broke the mold with Rod for defensive defensemen.

All of this and I miss those days.

 

[usiel]

Agreed good buddy. When I lived there it was like eight percent sales tax. I was a young officer and rented so not sure how much the property taxes are there, although I'm sure they're high. This was like 20 years ago too. I lived like two hours or less from Oregon so folks would make major purchases in Oregon for things like TVs etc.



All of this and I miss those days.

I think the states just move where they get their tax money around.

My hockey fandom sort of started in '88 where they had those bunch of good goal scorers but was mostly just reading in WaPo and boxscores probably wasn't till '89 where I was watching the games on the TV. So only had what like 3 years or so of Langway and the tail end of his career. My main memory naturally is him not having a helmet, heh. Though his last year I do recall was not great.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

I think the states just move where they get their tax money around.

My hockey fandom sort of started in '88 where they had those bunch of good goal scorers but was mostly just reading in WaPo and boxscores probably wasn't till '89 where I was watching the games on the TV. So only had what like 3 years or so of Langway and the tail end of his career. My main memory naturally is him not having a helmet, heh. Though his last year I do recall was not great.

Towards the end of his career age and injuries took their toll.