Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Tom Wilson: Lots of us will hate this topic but it will be the biggest of next season.

I would offer him a very fair extension. If he doesnt want to stay it is time to move on.
Willy is going to be over age 30 soon. Wilson is coming off a major knee injury and hasnt looked the same. The NHL history of comps of players like him after age 30 are not favorable. He needs a extension this season and if he wants a contract with years like Orlov that could be a deal breaker.

We could very well be the same team next season. Bottom 10 roster and hoping for a wild card.

Wilson will have very high value at the deadline and his value will be even higher before the draft. It would be hard to trade him but Im starting to lean to trade Wilson early before people figure out hes not the same bad man.

I am also very concerned that we would spend all the draft capital we get for him looking for the next Tom Wilson.

 

[WanderingCapsFan]

Tom Wilson: Lots of us will hate this topic but it will be the biggest of next season.

I would offer him a very fair extension. If he doesnt want to stay it is time to move on.
Willy is going to be over age 30 soon. Wilson is coming off a major knee injury and hasnt looked the same. The NHL history of comps of players like him after age 30 are not favorable. He needs a extension this season and if he wants a contract with years like Orlov that could be a deal breaker.

We could very well be the same team next season. Bottom 10 roster and hoping for a wild card.

Wilson will have very high value at the deadline and his value will be even higher before the draft. It would be hard to trade him but Im starting to lean to trade Wilson early before people figure out hes not the same bad man.

I am also very concerned that we would spend all the draft capital we get for him looking for the next Tom Wilson.

Yep. Love Willy. Love Willy. But you can't commit massive $ to another 30+ player unless the value is obviously indisputable. The franchise is weighed down by 30+ players on the downside whose on-ice value is massively less than their salary. Continuing this trend is not sustainable.

 

[YippieKaey]

Tom is great, and i love having him around. He can still be useful +30 as a defensively responsible winger with decent offense. But he is not going to be the Tom Wilson of yesteryear and if we can get good assets for him, something like a 1st and a good prospect/young decent roster player, i say it's worth it. Wouldn't mind trying to get a guy like Jeannot and a 1st for him. Or just flash trade him at the draft to move up.

Would hurt, but probably be worth it.

 

[HTFN]

Tom is great, and i love having him around. He can still be useful +30 as a defensively responsible winger with decent offense. But he is not going to be the Tom Wilson of yesteryear and if we can get good assets for him, something like a 1st and a good prospect/young decent roster player, i say it's worth it. Wouldn't mind trying to get a guy like Jeannot and a 1st for him. Or just flash trade him at the draft to move up.

Would hurt, but probably be worth it.

woooof

talking about a guy who was injured twice this year as if he's cooked is something. hitting is a rhythm game and I wouldn't be surprised if he uncorks a few after a healthy offseason

 

[Acallabeth]

What fair extension are you talking on guys? 30 yo Wilson isn't going to risk signing a short contract without a significant pay raise, and unless the Caps intend to ice a tanking team for years strating 2026-27, it just seems to be a poor option.
However, Tom Wilson is one of maybe two Caps players that could bring in a trade more than he brings playing. A 1st + a young roster player that is unlikely to stay with his current team, or maybe an impact prospect, and some smaller assets sounds like a trade that could improve both the Caps (mid- and long-term) and their trading partner (aiming for a strong PO run).
I'm glad that the idea of trading Tom is gaining popularity.

Wouldn't mind trying to get a guy like Jeannot and a 1st for him. Or just flash trade him at the draft to move up.

Tampa doesn't even have the prospects to add and make it fair-ish. Maybe Huuhtanen, but I don't know.

 

[pman25]

Jeannot isn’t a good player though, please don’t trade Wilson for him. If you trade Wilson, find someone to give you double what Tampa gave up for Jeannot or someone desperate that they give up a legit star for him like Nylander

 

[hb13xchamps]

Wilson’s next contract will run past both Backstrom’s and Ovechkin’s tenure here. Probably Oshie’ too assuming he’s still here. He may be one of the only “bright” spots at that point as sad as it is to say. I don’t think his extension warrants them trading him at this point.

Plus, depending on his on ice performance and his contract, he could be moved after Ovechkin breaks the record and walks away. They might go full blown rebuild after that.

 

[twabby]

Tom Wilson: Lots of us will hate this topic but it will be the biggest of next season.

I would offer him a very fair extension. If he doesnt want to stay it is time to move on.
Willy is going to be over age 30 soon. Wilson is coming off a major knee injury and hasnt looked the same. The NHL history of comps of players like him after age 30 are not favorable. He needs a extension this season and if he wants a contract with years like Orlov that could be a deal breaker.

We could very well be the same team next season. Bottom 10 roster and hoping for a wild card.

Wilson will have very high value at the deadline and his value will be even higher before the draft. It would be hard to trade him but Im starting to lean to trade Wilson early before people figure out hes not the same bad man.

I am also very concerned that we would spend all the draft capital we get for him looking for the next Tom Wilson.

 

[g00n]

"Shit, look at all these goals being scored by players we let go of too soon! Horrible asset management!"

"Hey Tom Wilson is close to a 30 goal pace but he just turned 29 years old 2 days ago which means death is imminent. Let's get rid of him"

Wilson: barely 29yrs old
Vrana: 27
Sprong: 26
Stephenson: 28

 

[pman25]

"Shit, look at all these goals being scored by players we let go of too soon! Horrible asset management!"

"Hey Tom Wilson is close to a 30 goal pace but he just turned 29 years old 2 days ago which means death is imminent. Let's get rid of him"

Wilson: barely 29yrs old
Vrana: 27
Sprong: 26
Stephenson: 28

Tom Wilson has been here for 10 seasons and he’s not buried on the depth chart or an upcoming RFA. This is not an apt comparison at all.

 

[twabby]

Tom Wilson has been here for 10 seasons and he’s not buried on the depth chart or an upcoming RFA. This is not an apt comparison at all.

He also, presumably, would not be traded for spare change but rather a significant roster piece or two, or significant futures to be flipped for a significant roster piece or two.

 

[g00n]

Tom Wilson has been here for 10 seasons and he’s not buried on the depth chart or an upcoming RFA. This is not an apt comparison at all.

Gee I wonder why those things didn't happen to him as opposed to those others?

He also, presumably, would not be traded for spare change but rather a significant roster piece or two, or significant futures to be flipped for a significant roster piece or two.

Can't imagine why.........

 

[marcel snapshot]

It's worth at least reflecting on, instead of walking reflexively into another 5-year (or more) high dollar deal with what would now be a 5th guy over 30 who was instrumental to our Cup win and extremely popular. The difference is, unlike the other 4, it's not obvious that he's on the wrong side of his career arc.

Yes, there's a lot of mileage on his body, and the knee thing is obviously risk. But the guy is a unicorn physically on the ice, he doesn't really have to hit as much in order to make his presence felt - and his actual goal-producing skill set seems to be continuing to evolve and improve.

Would I feel better about the deal we're going to have to give him if there weren't already 4 guys over 30 with similar deals? Yes. But their deals all run out before Willy's would and he's probably already the anointed bridge between that group and the next group to come - so I can't see how or why we wouldn't sign him. If it's longer than 5 years though, it starts looking like a mistake.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

It's worth at least reflecting on, instead of walking reflexively into another 5-year (or more) high dollar deal with what would now be a 5th guy over 30 who was instrumental to our Cup win and extremely popular. The difference is, unlike the other 4, it's not obvious that he's on the wrong side of his career arc.

Yes, there's a lot of mileage on his body, and the knee thing is obviously risk. But the guy is a unicorn physically on the ice, he doesn't really have to hit as much in order to make his presence felt - and his actual goal-producing skill set seems to be continuing to evolve and improve.

Would I feel better about the deal we're going to have to give him if there weren't already 4 guys over 30 with similar deals? Yes. But their deals all run out before Willy's would and he's probably already the anointed bridge between that group and the next group to come - so I can't see how or why we wouldn't sign him. If it's longer than 5 years though, it starts looking like a mistake.

Yup, all things not Ovechkin should at least be considered. Trading Wilson might be the emergency move they need to make to re-inject some top talent into the lineup.

would sicken me…..but you can’t rule it out at face value.

 

[kicksavedave]

Can we have Halpern as the HC and Dahlen and Kono as the assistants?

That line was soooo good!

 

[Langway]

He needs a extension this season and if he wants a contract with years like Orlov that could be a deal breaker.

If they're going to stay true to this line with this flatlining core then they might as well just blow it up already. Deal with it when the time comes. Only Strome is currently signed beyond 2027 so it's not like they've got tons of term on the books. It just feels like it. There will be, at most, another two seasons of...this...and then it will look a lot different.

I get being responsible and being well positioned for trade/UFA additions down the line but that's already something they should be well positioned to take advantage of if they hold their fire.

 

[crazy8888]

Yup, all things not Ovechkin should at least be considered. Trading Wilson might be the emergency move they need to make to re-inject some top talent into the lineup.

would sicken me…..but you can’t rule it out at face value.

I am under the impression that Tom Wilson is top talent in the lineup. So i very much disagree with this statement.

 

[Caps8112]

all depends on what they want to do and whether Ovi will stay. they seem to be in no mans land. before the deadline you could argue they were trying to remain competitve and continue the ovi quest. the season was lost on injuries but now they have traded away players and its clear other players are not anything close to what they used to be. I was not for a rebuild before the trade deadline but if you are going to do half of it you might as well just get it done and go scorched earth. Not sure if Ovi had told them he'll go home if they do that but I would have shopped everyone. Wilson, Oshie, Kuzy and Carlson will never be more valuable then right now. Love what Wilson did in the cup run. There really is no point in resigning Willie anyway. The team will be horrible for the next 5 years. Cant see why he would want to stick around for that anyway.

 

[Caps8112]

on another note, games played is good now, caps having played and lost . just need to lose the last 5 to get a what???.0001% chance at Bedard

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

Something I think is lost in conversation.

 

[g00n]

Something I think is lost in conversation.

Only if you're ignoring people who already said as much.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

on another note, games played is good now, caps having played and lost . just need to lose the last 5 to get a what???.0001% chance at Bedard

As of today they have a 5% chance.

 

[twabby]

I don’t really think term is the main issue with re-signing Wilson. The cap will go up, and they’ll be garbage in a few years anyways so who cares.

My issue with re-signing Wilson is that he’s not an impactful enough player in the short-term to justify keeping over what are likely to be superior alternatives that trading could return.

How else is Washington going to improve their roster? What else do teams want, besides their first round picks? That’s not enough to reshape the roster quickly.

 

[SecretaryofDefense5]

It's worth at least reflecting on, instead of walking reflexively into another 5-year (or more) high dollar deal with what would now be a 5th guy over 30 who was instrumental to our Cup win and extremely popular. The difference is, unlike the other 4, it's not obvious that he's on the wrong side of his career arc.

Yes, there's a lot of mileage on his body, and the knee thing is obviously risk. But the guy is a unicorn physically on the ice, he doesn't really have to hit as much in order to make his presence felt - and his actual goal-producing skill set seems to be continuing to evolve and improve.

Would I feel better about the deal we're going to have to give him if there weren't already 4 guys over 30 with similar deals? Yes. But their deals all run out before Willy's would and he's probably already the anointed bridge between that group and the next group to come - so I can't see how or why we wouldn't sign him. If it's longer than 5 years though, it starts looking like a mistake.

The suck is coming so give him 8 years if he will stay. I’m not sure he will want to stay for what comes next though. Who would?

 

[Caps8112]

As of today they have a 5% chance.

arent they 11th? thought you could only move up 10 spots