PlushMinus
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If Caps management make their decisions based on MoneyPuck odds then it is now abundantly clear why this team keeps losing in the first round
Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!
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I guess when it comes down to it they really need to give Ovechkin one or two more legit shots at a Cup and I don't care how they do it. If they sell the farm this offseason to make them good next year I'm down. If they want to take a step back and stink next year in order to collect some assets to be a good team in 2024-25 that's fine too.
The current trajectory, however, is unacceptable. Getting steadily worse every year and fading off into the æther without ever giving Ovechkin another true shot would be a shame. 2018 is great, but I want him to have a chance at more team success. As mentioned before giving him a good team will also make him score more goals. 895 is very much a team effort.
I think we can all agree that high-priced rentals should be out of the question this year. They just don't have a hope at this point. I'm down for strategically selling off vets at the TDL that won't be a part of the team next year, but I'm also down for adding impact players that will be on the team for years to come. They could do both. There's no rule against it!
Also for those saying Garnet Hathaway won't fetch a first round pick: you're probably right. But Ben Chiarot got a first round pick and more last season! It only takes one team who really wants him! Who's to say Edmonton won't overvalue him, for instance?
The current trajectory, however, is unacceptable. Getting steadily worse every year and fading off into the æther without ever giving Ovechkin another true shot would be a shame. 2018 is great, but I want him to have a chance at more team success. As mentioned before giving him a good team will also make him score more goals. 895 is very much a team effort.
I think we can all agree that high-priced rentals should be out of the question this year. They just don't have a hope at this point. I'm down for strategically selling off vets at the TDL that won't be a part of the team next year, but I'm also down for adding impact players that will be on the team for years to come. They could do both. There's no rule against it!
Also for those saying Garnet Hathaway won't fetch a first round pick: you're probably right. But Ben Chiarot got a first round pick and more last season! It only takes one team who really wants him! Who's to say Edmonton won't overvalue him, for instance?
I still think you find a way to flip Kuzy+ for Larkin, saves money this year which opens up space for an acquisition on D, and then if you can re-sign him, you're getting a player who's still going to be at his athletic peak for another couple of years. Plus it gets rid of one of the last of the "enigmatic" players who hasn't lived up to their potential and maybe provides some motivation.
I also don't see how you can't keep Mantha and play him as a RW if Wilson is done for the year and Oshie is a shell. NAK on the top 3 lines is a team that isn't going anywhere.
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But the team is so wildly inconsistent that it's impossible to go through the schedule and tally up points.
Who could say with complete honesty they expected them to beat the Bruins and then lose to the Sharks??
If anything the reverse outcome was the most likely one.
The only reason they are still in a playoff spot is because the teams around them have been just as mediocre / unpredictable. For weeks now there have been opportunities for Eastern teams to get their shit together and rise above the half dozen teams all fighting for those 2 wildcard spots. NONE of them have done it.
Summary: there's competitive / puncher's chance and there's "backing into the playoffs by virtue of being the least worst team". At the moment the Caps are the latter. And over a 7 game series IF they make the playoffs, I can't see them beating the Bruins or Canes in a 7 game series. Too old, too inconsistent, too stubborn a coach. And their inability to score goals outside of Ovie is reaching an embarrassing level. Even he only has what, 2 goals in the last 11? Oof.
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But there’s no reason their roadmap can’t involve aggressively flipping those futures at the draft. They can still use whatever assets they acquire on pending UFAs to swing around a bigger package, so to speak, around draft day and some of those larger and harder to move contracts, and take advantage of the personnel decisions other teams are making post-playoffs
SecretaryofDefense5
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I am not pushing for a rebuild but at some point they need to make some hard decisions about some players people like. Oshie comes to mind. The dude needs to have a come to Jesus moment this off season when it comes to his career and whether he can actually continue like this or the Caps need to try to move on. Love him but he is no help to anyone if he can’t stay healthy.
Kuzy is another big name that I think it’s time to say goodbye too. Not every player can be a life long Cap, nor should they.
Kuzy is another big name that I think it’s time to say goodbye too. Not every player can be a life long Cap, nor should they.
The caps just have some attractive players that are sneaky values. TvR at 950, Sheary at 1.5, Hathaway at 1.5, Jensen at 2.5. Those players should demand 2nd round picks at least. Probably a 1st for Jensen as a RHD or Hath as a shit stirrer 4th liner. Some GM could talk themselves into that type of player as being the one guy they need to win!
Either way, if we are gonna sell, let’s take a lesson from Montreal. They talked all season long how Chiarot is returning a 1st and they got one! Now they’re telling us Edmundson should go for a high pick? Come on man! We actually have good players at low cap hits, those should be valued as 1st or 2nd rd picks! Minimum!
Either way, if we are gonna sell, let’s take a lesson from Montreal. They talked all season long how Chiarot is returning a 1st and they got one! Now they’re telling us Edmundson should go for a high pick? Come on man! We actually have good players at low cap hits, those should be valued as 1st or 2nd rd picks! Minimum!
CMM+Iorio+2023 1st for Meier and SJ 2023 2nd. Carlson comes back for playoffs, his offensive production catapults us on a cup run. Meier signs 7x8.5 during this off-season
If Caps play like yesterday, yes I know it was a back to back, I would trade Orlov. Why? Cash in and resign him in July.
My memory could be failing me but IIRC Hathaway wasnt playing much better than others last Spring?
He's good player to have but his future with the team is very questionable. Switch him with say NAK and Caps wont lose much (with healthy Wilson at least).
If there is a very good offer from one of the contenders (even East ones) - sell him.
Sheary could be resigned for the same kind of salary perhaps. Sell him and then sign him again!
He's good player to have but his future with the team is very questionable. Switch him with say NAK and Caps wont lose much (with healthy Wilson at least).
If there is a very good offer from one of the contenders (even East ones) - sell him.
Sheary could be resigned for the same kind of salary perhaps. Sell him and then sign him again!
Other teams could and would beat that offer but if that’s all it took I’d drive to Hershey myself to get McMike and Iorio. You’re looking at dropping ~15 spots in the draft and giving up a few B level prospects for a top 10-15 winger in the game… that would be a no brainer.
We’d also have to send salary back unless they LTIR Carlson until the playoffs.
Add 2024 first? Chesley? Don’t you think they’d have to take a player back as a cap dump for those futures? preferably Mantha. And I actually wonder why they haven’t put the LTIR tag on Carlson, if he’s not ready by mid March what’s the point. Maybe it’s frowned upon by the league since Tampa did it
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Any team paying big to acquire is going to want the extension agreed upon….
Not to shit post more but it’s hard to even gauge the NHL trade market, I thought the Tarasenko trade to NYR was great value for them and hardly gave up much. He’s had a bad year so far on a Blues team that somewhat sucks this year but hit his high in point totals just last year. NYI got Horvat who’s been a hot commodity on the market for Beauvillier who’s a bottom six winger, Raty who’s a B level prospect and a 2023 1st which doesn’t seem like a lot to me.
Axel on waivers in the 'Peg to make room for Dylan DeMelo. If Washington claims him and no one else puts in a claim he can go directly to Hershey.
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Hathaway's trade value was on full display Saturday against the Bruins. I have to believe that it got the attention of a number of GMs especially those in the East who believe their playoff runs have to go through Boston. Heck even the Boston GM Don Sweeney had to take notice.My memory could be failing me but IIRC Hathaway wasnt playing much better than others last Spring?
He's good player to have but his future with the team is very questionable. Switch him with say NAK and Caps wont lose much (with healthy Wilson at least).
If there is a very good offer from one of the contenders (even East ones) - sell him.
Sheary could be resigned for the same kind of salary perhaps. Sell him and then sign him again!
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I think there’s a strong chance we go on a losing streak, playing these tough teams and will be forced to sell
You think the Wings are in the market for another enigmatic Capital castoff?
Oh I think they're more looking to get something for Larkin, who they don't seem to want to pay and isn't going to give them a discount from what I've read. The bait would be the +.
SecretaryofDefense5
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Fine with it. Sometimes the only way to get GMs to make painful decisions is crappy times. Some of these decisions will be long overdue considering they haven’t won sh*t since 2018 but alas.
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Probably more like force Ted to make some tough decisions.
I imagine the past couple off-seasons have featured Ted and BMac having a conversation like this:
BMac: “Look Ted, we’re the oldest team in the league, we gotta move on from players x,y, and z.”
Ted: “Whoa there Brian! Lighten up buddy, we just won the Stanley Cup! Don’t we get like a 10 year grace period?”
BMac: <stares blankly>
Ted: “Look, I need to sell those players’ jerseys (we’re going with 41 different alt-jerseys next year). I badly need that income to help pay that terrible Beal contract. So, no, we’re keeping all those great champions. Now, get the f*** out.”
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He plays like a guy just showing up for a job…..like he doesn‘t love the game.
I think it goes down like this:
1. Take the punchers chance this year - IF we can find some health, we have a good deep team. Don’t need major adds. Probably just a RD.
2. TDL is for futures - those won’t help us during the OV chase as it will take 2-5 years to see the draft picks get NHL ready
3. Change direction in offseason. Lots of UFA’s and flexibility. Plus hockey trades are easier in the offseason paired with draft. But I’d say more likely this offseason than years past where we may try and move some high end contracts like JC74, Kuzy, Oshie, Mantha. Not move all of them, but see what deal makes sense. A major trade could open that window a bit more for 2-3 years.
1. Take the punchers chance this year - IF we can find some health, we have a good deep team. Don’t need major adds. Probably just a RD.
2. TDL is for futures - those won’t help us during the OV chase as it will take 2-5 years to see the draft picks get NHL ready
3. Change direction in offseason. Lots of UFA’s and flexibility. Plus hockey trades are easier in the offseason paired with draft. But I’d say more likely this offseason than years past where we may try and move some high end contracts like JC74, Kuzy, Oshie, Mantha. Not move all of them, but see what deal makes sense. A major trade could open that window a bit more for 2-3 years.
Exactly. It’s not about the physical play. It is about the tenacity and urgency. In bigger guys it usually shows up as physicality. But if he would just get after it, and play with some urgency, he would be much more effective. Physical or not.
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