Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

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IafrateOvie34

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This team is not contending for Cup anytime soon. They just need to stay competitive for Ovechkin to break the record. I don't know how can someone believe this team could actual contend with their current players. Sure, if they get rid of Backstrom, Oshie, Kuznetsov, Carlson, maybe even Wilson as he holds a lot value, literally the core that one year got them over the finish line, but today is the anchor that is holding them in the place. Pipe dream. There is no other way to fix this team than just rebuild starting from top, if the target is the Stanley Cup. To stay competitive they can retool while waiting for contracts to expire.
It's hope. Wish for the best, expect less. This doesn't sting as much as when they are legit and then flounder in the 2nd round or first.

EA sports GM thoughts on the next 2 offseasons. Some pretty interesting FAs looming Larkin and Pasta this year Aho the next. We have lots of cap space and any one of those players would be awesome. Pasta prolly the biggest long shot bc his game is to much like Ovies.
They'll probably get resigned unless the contract is too fantasy. The way the league is heading I wouldn't be surprised in fantasy.
 

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Protas & Malenstyn are marginal. They offer good size, provide energy but the bottom six is fine and neither has the arsenal to push vet top sixers. I'm not sure McMichael does either. The only convenient tact I guess is to believe there's a miracle HC out there that could finesse refreshing tactical possession tweaks to the point where offensive execution markedly improves 5v5 and on the PP. But good luck with that. More likely MacLellan will need to pick a comprehensive near-term vision, stick true to it and be prepared to make some pretty significant forward-looking changes to realign. Evaluating this season's roster based on Dom's Conference Finalist formula on an individual basis they have the bottom six, 2-6D and that's all. Hard to acquire those much more rare elements, particularly with so much money tied into declining assets, and their defensive personnel could look quite a bit different next season.

The break comes at a great time. Maybe they come back recharged and reach their minimal goal of qualifying. But their approach generally is muddled. They'll need something much more forward-looking to remain a playoff team in '23-24 you'd think. $24M in cap space in itself seems like a pretty mixed opportunity given the importance of some of their expiring contracts. They're going to need to pick and choose wisely and a big part of that will likely force them to make tougher decisions than they may like. The sheer number of decisions that will need to be made this off-season IMO is pretty far from ideal. As much as flexibility is warranted they should also have a pretty good idea in the near-term of the importance of certain pending UFAs regardless of whether they happen to be a top 8 team in the East or not.
The point is not that any of the young guys are major needle movers, but they are cheaper and you can acquire more expensive talent reinvesting the saved money.

add in moving 92 and 39 and you can significantly alter this roster.

after shopping out kuzy no reason to not accommodate oshie methinks

Backstrom looks like a player and oshie looks washed up
When Oshie doesn‘t play well in the postseason, it might be time…
 
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The point is not that any of the young guys are major needle movers, but they are cheaper and you can acquire more expensive talent reinvesting the saved money.

add in moving 92 and 39 and you can significantly alter this roster.
IF they can move them. IF it can be done without retention, taking similar players back or including sweeteners. And IF the various markets align. No easy fit all that. Whatever marginal savings they may get at the bottom of the roster would be offset and then some by raises due to heavy lifters (Orlov/Jensen/TVR) or perhaps Sheary.

The bulk of the needle movers need to come from the draft yet they likely will never have the patience for it while Ovechkin is still around. They're too busy spinning their wheels just to remain a 7/8 team in the most conventional way possible. By their inclination then I'd wager they'll have many half measures left in them...moves that shuffle the deck but probably won't improve the basic trajectory. Maybe they end up being a bit younger but it's hard to say it's for the best given the lack of quality. As much as expiring contracts offer flexibility some of those heavy lifters could be sorely missed. Based on Point Shares four of their top 8 performers to date are pending UFA defensemen. Not great. Sheary, Johansson & Milano have also provided pretty exceptional value up front in secondary roles. So, again, the possibility of downgrading seems entirely possible. They've done well with stopgaps but at some point that alone won't keep it afloat. Their priorities have to shift and team dynamics change.

I'd wager the high-end forward dilemma persists for some time. In theory they could go out and trade for Meier but I'm not sure it's a one player issue (or, at least, not that player). Maybe I'm underrating him but I don't think that in itself sorts them out offensively. It helps. He'd be their second-best goal scorer and top sixer but their style also seems stagnating or at least in need of further alterations than one player. If they're serious about being Cup level there's a lot of standards that have to elevate, starting with moving from 92/39 and opting for more known quantities on any given night. But after Meier there's, what, Larkin? O'Reilly? Not sure that level of player cuts it. A fresh HC might get them tweaked just well enough to track differently but so much of this core seems deeply flawed and time will only make those faults more evident. It's a very tough thing to go about masking on the downswing gracefully.
 

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Re: the Kuzy discussion he's regressed since the SC winning year to a Joe Juneau-like style (10% shoot, 90% pass). When I can tell someone is 'thinking too much' on the ice you know its bad. Feels like he is more reactive in decision making rather than going more instinctive. Lack of decisiveness maybe. Moving Kuzy feels like an off season move if or it ever happens. No one knows how long Backstrom's hit will hold up (uncharted territory). If it is still probably looking at him being in the 3rd line center spot. If the have confidence in McM=Strome/MCM/Backstrom/Dowd down the middle.

Totally blanking if he's still still on the PK unit but always felt that helped his 5v5 play.
 

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I'm of mixed-mind when it comes to Kuznetsov.

On one hand, he's definitely underperforming and is one of the (several) primary culprits regarding their inconsistent and underachieving play this season. He's a prime candidate to having his cap space re-allocated, as a result.

On the other hand, if there's one veteran player who has the potential to rebound dramatically next season, it's Kuznetsov. His up-and-down play has been a hallmark of his career so far, by every standard (boxcars, "eye test," and advanced metrics). He's a guy that will go from 77 points to 59 points to 83 points in three straight healthy seasons. A guy that half the board will demand needs to be traded one season, to him being untouchable the next. It certainly is not out of the question that he could be the team's best forward next season.

Ultimately, this is a team will three centers competing for two top 6 center spots, and too many centers vying for spots as a whole. It's also a team who's most expensive center has serious health questions. It's hard to do a whole lot of planning regarding trading Kuznetsov until we know what's going to happen with Backstrom. Is he truly "pain free?" Is he someone that they are counting on playing all 82 games next season? If he's playing, is he going to be anything like his old self, or is he going to be the guy who has 3 5v5 points in 9 games so far this season?
 

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7/8 team is kinda road to nowhere

trading Kuzy doesnt automatically get them higher than that, just trimming some fat which doesnt want to play better while he still healthy and not old. pity he became that shell of his former self

7.8M doesnt sound too awful though. Id say its in the ballpark of that old Ribeiro contract for modern times. some team will take him if GMBM and Ovi are ok with it.

but they have to sign Strome before trading Kuzy
losing all 3 is still on the table
 

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Kuzy might be......very Kuzy but he is producing points. He should be paired with a defensively responsible hard working center and moved to wing and just let him do his thing. Him and Protas seemed to have some chemistry so that's worth trying. Maybe with Mantha (if he stays) on the other wing.
 

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Kuzy needs a coach who can set him straight. Barry was able to do it. Lavi can't. By his own admission, he isn't someone who has the motivation to play well every game. Coach needs to figure out what gets him up for games and use it to push him.
 

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Kuzy needs a coach who can set him straight. Barry was able to do it. Lavi can't. By his own admission, he isn't someone who has the motivation to play well every game. Coach needs to figure out what gets him up for games and use it to push him.
Sorry, calling bullshit here. He’s a 30 year old man who has played in 800 professional and junior games over the course of a 15 year career. This is his 10th season in DC. He’s played in 14 international competitions over a span of 10 years. He’s being paid close to $8M/year and is expected to be a leader on the team. He needs to be a professional and play like he’s paid to play or he needs to go.
 

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Rather ship out the coach. Kuzy could have won a Conn Smythe under Trotz. Since then, this team has been coached by dipshits.
If you’re going to continue with revisionist history I’m going to continue to call it out. This place wanted Trotz gone before the calendar turned from 2017 to 2018. He was almost fired twice that season. He got outcoached despite having a better roster in three straight playoffs before breaking through and a big part of breaking through was getting lucky that Panarin’s shot hit the bar in OT or else they’re down 3-0 in that series.

Just enough already. Will always appreciate Barry for what he did here but the guy has been gone five years and he’s not even coaching right now.
 

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If you’re going to continue with revisionist history I’m going to continue to call it out. This place wanted Trotz gone before the calendar turned from 2017 to 2018. He was almost fired twice that season. He got outcoached despite having a better roster in three straight playoffs before breaking through and a big part of breaking through was getting lucky that Panarin’s shot hit the bar in OT or else they’re down 3-0 in that series.

Just enough already. Will always appreciate Barry for what he did here but the guy has been gone five years and he’s not even coaching right now.
What is revisionist about what I said?

You want to crap on Barry Trotz playoff record here too? He never failed to get out of the first round. He lost in 7 to NYR, after we got absolutely hosed by the officials. Then, he lost to the two time defending Cup champions.
 

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If you’re going to continue with revisionist history I’m going to continue to call it out. This place wanted Trotz gone before the calendar turned from 2017 to 2018. He was almost fired twice that season. He got outcoached despite having a better roster in three straight playoffs before breaking through and a big part of breaking through was getting lucky that Panarin’s shot hit the bar in OT or else they’re down 3-0 in that series.

Just enough already. Will always appreciate Barry for what he did here but the guy has been gone five years and he’s not even coaching right now.
Everything you said is 100% correct. Trotz was blamed just as much as Lavi when he was here. But regardless of how many times he almost got fired, it was a mistake to let stanley cup winning coach walk away weeks after winning the cup. I dont care what the situation was and how much of a raise he requested. I dont care about Teds wallet. They should have given him the raise and go from there. I know Reirden played a big part in that decision but still! Everything is more clear in retrospect but still that was an unprecedented move and clearly that gamble did not pay off.
 

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Everything you said is 100% correct. Trotz was blamed just as much as Lavi when he was here. But regardless of how many times he almost got fired, it was a mistake to let stanley cup winning coach walk away weeks after winning the cup. I dont care what the situation was and how much of a raise he requested. I dont care about Teds wallet. They should have given him the raise and go from there. I know Reirden played a big part in that decision but still! Everything is more clear in retrospect but still that was an unprecedented move and clearly that gamble did not pay off.
The Islanders let Trotz walk too after overachieving and going on multiple deep playoff runs despite having a pretty flawed roster. Even with the on-ice results there’s something there with Barry that has made him wear out his welcome after four seasons in two consecutive stops.
 

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What is revisionist about what I said?

You want to crap on Barry Trotz playoff record here too? He never failed to get out of the first round. He lost in 7 to NYR, after we got absolutely hosed by the officials. Then, he lost to the two time defending Cup champions.
He had the best roster in the NHL for multiple seasons and got outcoached when it mattered most. End of story. He and the Caps, not the refs, blew a 3-1 lead against the Rangers.

I’m real tired of people insinuating that he’d be working miracles with this flawed roster and that every underachieving veteran would be magically fixed if Barry was still here. Do people not remember how angry this place was about his repeated decisions to play old and slow veterans over young players? Karl Alzner, Tim Gleason, and Mike Weber over Nate Schmidt? Curtis Glencross and Mike Richards over Vrana? The only time he didn’t he was saved from himself due to injuries and the same shit that people complain about today they were complaining about when Trotz was coaching. Just let it go already.
 

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Sorry, calling bullshit here. He’s a 30 year old man who has played in 800 professional and junior games over the course of a 15 year career. This is his 10th season in DC. He’s played in 14 international competitions over a span of 10 years. He’s being paid close to $8M/year and is expected to be a leader on the team. He needs to be a professional and play like he’s paid to play or he needs to go.
I don't disagree with you. He's an adult, you're right. And ideally the coach doesn't have to specifically cater towards him. But this is who he is, and given his contract, he might be hard to move out. I think the best thing possible is for the coach to figure out how to get more out of him.
 
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The Islanders let Trotz walk too after overachieving and going on multiple deep playoff runs despite having a pretty flawed roster. Even with the on-ice results there’s something there with Barry that has made him wear out his welcome after four seasons in two consecutive stops.
How long did he coach in Nashville?
 

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I'm of mixed-mind when it comes to Kuznetsov.

On one hand, he's definitely underperforming and is one of the (several) primary culprits regarding their inconsistent and underachieving play this season. He's a prime candidate to having his cap space re-allocated, as a result.

On the other hand, if there's one veteran player who has the potential to rebound dramatically next season, it's Kuznetsov. His up-and-down play has been a hallmark of his career so far, by every standard (boxcars, "eye test," and advanced metrics). He's a guy that will go from 77 points to 59 points to 83 points in three straight healthy seasons. A guy that half the board will demand needs to be traded one season, to him being untouchable the next. It certainly is not out of the question that he could be the team's best forward next season.

Ultimately, this is a team will three centers competing for two top 6 center spots, and too many centers vying for spots as a whole. It's also a team who's most expensive center has serious health questions. It's hard to do a whole lot of planning regarding trading Kuznetsov until we know what's going to happen with Backstrom. Is he truly "pain free?" Is he someone that they are counting on playing all 82 games next season? If he's playing, is he going to be anything like his old self, or is he going to be the guy who has 3 5v5 points in 9 games so far this season?
If Kuzy only shows up every other year, you still get rid of that contact if you can.
 
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Just seems like you are saying Barry has a short shelf life, which isn’t exactly true
All of these things are true: Trotz coached for 15 years in Nashville and Nashville never made it out of the second round when he was coaching there. In his last two jobs, Trotz lasted four years both in Washington and in New York despite winning a Cup in Washington and taking the Isles to the Conference Final.

I would posit that as Barry has aged, something about him made him may have led to him wearing out his welcome in his last two stops. Or maybe he didn’t feel appreciated in both places and wanted out. I’d also suggest that Trotz was probably never (or was rarely) challenged in Nashville since it was a new team in a southern market and just being competitive was good enough for a while. In Washington and New York he faced different expectations which could have been a contributing factor in his shorter tenures.
 
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