Speculation: Caps Roster General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2022-23 Season Part 3: Drop the puck!

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Brian23

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Now if only they'd play AA, that'd be close to a perfect current set up in my opinion. None of the old and slow players congregated on one line, even distribution of speed and skill. Complimentary players playing together. Crazy it took however many games.

Still ridiculous having a dude go from healthy scratch to first line center.
 

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Now if only they'd play AA, that'd be close to a perfect current set up in my opinion. None of the old and slow players congregated on one line, even distribution of speed and skill. Complimentary players playing together. Crazy it took however many games.

yeah 3 games.

our long national nightmare is over
 
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Truly hope so, it's been heavy reading through all this frustration from every side for past few days.

With much of it being deleted. I'm not going back through all of it to see if my "when is enough" comments stood, citing a need to end the experimentation for this NYI game and then maybe, depending on results, doing it again if needed during the road trip before meeting the Pens.

So get ready in case the scratches and lines start going sideways again. But for tonight this should at least quell the "concerns" that Lavi has suddenly forgotten how to hockey.
 

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As for the forward lineups…

Ovi-Strome-Sheary
Milano-Backstrom-Wilson
Mantha-Kuzy-Oshie
Johansson-Dowd-Hathaway

These first and fourth lines have proven to work as they are, Milano and Backstrom could work well together, and Mantha, Kuzy and Oshie as a third line could be elite depth if it works. It does seem to me they need to keep Backstrom away from Oshie and Ovi though - all three are better with players who play with speed around them.

Oh, and give Lindgren more starts. He was amazing in December, and deserves to play more.
Posted in another thread a good few days ago. If these lines actually work out vs. the Isles, they're obligated under the CBA to replace one of the assistant coaches with me, right? That’s how it works?

If so, time to put Strome and Backstrom on PP1 together…
 
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Or a half a season, figured you'd know that as you've been bludgeoning everyone about it that whole time.

so you think the lines sucked in December when they were maybe the hottest team in the NHL

Ok
 

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Eller actually played one of his better games against Philly which makes this somewhat comical timing.

Strome only has three points in five games in January, and all of them came in the big win against Columbus. Glad to see he’s being reunited with Ovi and Sheary.

The fancy stats say that Mantha had a very strong game against Philly, would like to see him follow up with a strong game tonight.
 

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Eller actually played one of his better games against Philly which makes this somewhat comical timing.

Strome only has three points in five games in January, and all of them came in the big win against Columbus. Glad to see he’s being reunited with Ovi and Sheary.

The fancy stats say that Mantha had a very strong game against Philly, would like to see him follow up with a strong game tonight.

It doesn't matter, the narrative has been established.

From the link I posted earlier

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Preview of tonight with recap from Saturday:


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More than double Philly's shot attempts.
 

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As much as I think eller should be the odd man out at center, it’s still weird to see him as a healthy scratch ha.
 

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Uh….ok. I’m going to try and shift the conversation slightly. With all the angst about Strome the past few days, I’ve been trying to figure out where/if he fits in with club longer term.

He’s been real solid this year, definitely one of the best forwards, and best center. However, his skillset and style is so similar to Nick’s, it’s almost uncanny. So, what happens if Nick sustains his comeback and plays out his contract? What will Strome’s qualifying offer be, and will it be worth it (with all the FA needs) given the $ wrapped up in 19 and 92? It’s frustrating because neither 19 nor 92 (at present) is a real contender level 1C - but Strome isn’t really either IMO. Moreover, collectively the three guys are either too slow (19, 17), and/or suck defensively (92, 17). If Nick returns to form, maybe he can be the 200 ft guy to offset Strome/Kuzy.

Then the next consideration is the logjam of potential centers in the pipeline - Protas, CMM, Lappy - competing for 3C next year (or maybe Protas goes to 4C, and Dowd moves to 3C). All cheaper. Do we really want to block those options to run Kuzy-Nick-Strome-Dowd? Again, not sure I like the mix of skillsets of those top 3 centers. Maybe it’s worth it to just keep Strome around for Nick’s eventual retirement after 24-25? (or sooner pending health). It’s also generally not a good move to let a top 6 center just walk.

As a temporary replacement for Backstrom, one almost couldn’t imagine a better fit than Strome - he’s like a younger, less polished clone. The move by GMBM was a great hedge against Nick’s health. If Nick can’t resume his career, locking up Strome is a no-brainer. However, if Nick is able to resume his career, I think a temporary hedge may be all Strome is to the organization.

What do all you smart hockey folks think of the situation?

Very well thought through post. I don't have an answer but i appreciate the effort you put in here.
 
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Personally I see the Strome situation as a bit of Ribeiro situation. He's a good 2c that can step up as a 1c. He will want a big contract, bigger than we can afford and he will get it elsewhere. And he won't be worth it.
 
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Well, Lavi working through the process and most will get to sit a game. But i like these lines except for Alexyev not being in for Irwin. These lines should generate some offense which we desperately need.

This won’t be the last line change we’ll see. Assume Lavi will continue to tinker, but these are professionals. Shouldn’t matter who they play with and what line they are on. Just play and win!
 

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Almost exactly the lines I proposed, but with Milano and Mojo swapped, which is a fine variation, as would be potentially swapping Oshie and Wilson imo.


HMMMMMMMMMMM

Is everyone finally satisfied?




Thoughts?
Good for him, better late than never.
 

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It doesn't matter, the narrative has been established.

From the link I posted earlier

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Preview of tonight with recap from Saturday:


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More than double Philly's shot attempts.
Yeah I thought Eller looked like a guy fighting to show he shouldn't be scratched. He looked good except for that bad shift where he had a careless offensive zone turnover which led to him taking a defensive zone penalty and then Philly scored on the PP. He's the one that stands out to me as the guy with the least defined role moving forward which is why I think he makes sense to rotate out but it's still tough to sit a guy after a really good game.

I don't think what they're doing is tenable but that's not 100% on Lavi. When you have 14 NHL-quality forwards two guys have to sit every game even if they are playing well and don't deserve to sit. Have to imagine this gets worked on before the deadline unless there are other injuries or unless someone's play falls off a cliff.
 
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Heh, people here will be so mad when they see the lineup for next one and Lars is in.

They gonna rotate it seems. Its fine. Id actually still drum to see Mantha-Dowd-Hathaway line.
 
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You think they weren't trying to win?

Hart was phenomenal all night. He made saves he had no business making. We put 40 shots on him and held the other side to 25. We outshot them 19-9 in the 3rd period.

If not for that bullshit penalty on Eller we might not give up that PP goal. And if Ovie hadn't been floating on the JVR goal maybe that one doesn't go in.

Were we 0-3 on the PP because of Eller? Do you think Strome in for Eller wins that game? Eller played about 13 minutes and was 75% from the dot. He was T-2 in shots and T-3rd on the team in hits.

I'm not a huge fan of the guy but he's clearly the whipping boy this year.

We didn't lose because of Lavi's roster moves or his lines. And they certainly weren't TRYING to lose. They were playing to win and the other team had better luck, officiating, and goaltending.

On to the next game.
Yep, the phenomenal Carter Hart was pulled from today’s game against after giving up 4 quick goals. That Carter Hart whom the Caps couldn’t penetrate.
 
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