Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2021 Off-Season Pt. 2
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Vrana also lacked vision. If guys weren't finding him at speed on the breakout, he never really contributed much. In Mantha's short time with the Capitals, he seemed much better at making plays while also having a nice shot.
Kind of like you are saying, I have several issues with the current front office and coaching staff, the Mantha-Vrana trade isn't one of them.
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Regarding Ovechkin, thought I heard he was looking in the neighborhood of 12 a couple of months ago. So for this exercise I'll use Ovechkin's next contract at 12 x 4 years which matches the length of Backstrom's contract and will take Ovie to age 40.
According to CapFriendly Capitals currently have 9.735 in cap space. Samsonov is a RFA as well. So Capitals will need to create cap space for Ovechkin and Samsonov.
First transaction involves Kuznetsov. Straight up deal with the Rangers, Kuznetsov (7.8) to NYR for Ryan Strome (4.5). Capitals get a centerman back while clearing 3.3 in cap. Strome is in the last year of his contract.
Second transaction, Edmonton Oilers have lost LD Larsson and LD Klefbom from their blue line and RD Barrie is a UFA they may be interested in resigning. Barrie's coming off of a 5+ contract, so he may be looking for something comparable. Capitals send RD Justin Schultz (4 mil) and LD Michal Kempny (2.5 mil) to the Oilers for their 3rd round pick in the 2023 draft (after the first round the Oilers really don't have many high picks for the next few seasons). The attraction with Schultz and Kempny to the Oilers is that they only have those contracts this year as they are both in the last year of their contracts. Capitals benefit is they clear 6.5 in cap.
Third transaction, LD Brendan Dillon (3.9) and LW Carl Hagelin (2.75) to the Vancouver Canucks for Nate Schmidt (5.95) and Braden Holtby (4.3). Canucks agree to retain 1.3 on Holtby's contract which is in the last season of the contract. Such a transaction will end up adding 2.3 to the Capitals in cap and clearing some cap for the Canucks and two players that they've been rumored to be looking to move.
Overall cap change will be the 3.3 from the Rangers deal plus 6.5 from the Oilers deal taking away 2.3 from the Canucks deal. Total net gain via the cap would be 7.5.. With 2.3 on top of the 9.735 going to Ovechkin's next contract, bringing the cap space down to 5.2 with 2 of that going to Samsonov leaving roughly 3.2 in cap. The 3.2 in cap can go to resigning Rafl and Chara or some other veteran dman for the 7th d.
The following Caps would then be in the last year of their contracts, Strome, Holtby, Dowd with Sprong a RFA.
Caps line up:
Ovechkin - Backstrom - Sprong
Mantha - Strome - Wilson
Rafl/Sheary - Eller - Oshie
Sheary/Rafl - Dowd - Hathaway
Orlov - Carlson
TVR - Schmidt
Fever - Jensen
(Chara or ?)
Samsonov
Holtby
According to CapFriendly Capitals currently have 9.735 in cap space. Samsonov is a RFA as well. So Capitals will need to create cap space for Ovechkin and Samsonov.
First transaction involves Kuznetsov. Straight up deal with the Rangers, Kuznetsov (7.8) to NYR for Ryan Strome (4.5). Capitals get a centerman back while clearing 3.3 in cap. Strome is in the last year of his contract.
Second transaction, Edmonton Oilers have lost LD Larsson and LD Klefbom from their blue line and RD Barrie is a UFA they may be interested in resigning. Barrie's coming off of a 5+ contract, so he may be looking for something comparable. Capitals send RD Justin Schultz (4 mil) and LD Michal Kempny (2.5 mil) to the Oilers for their 3rd round pick in the 2023 draft (after the first round the Oilers really don't have many high picks for the next few seasons). The attraction with Schultz and Kempny to the Oilers is that they only have those contracts this year as they are both in the last year of their contracts. Capitals benefit is they clear 6.5 in cap.
Third transaction, LD Brendan Dillon (3.9) and LW Carl Hagelin (2.75) to the Vancouver Canucks for Nate Schmidt (5.95) and Braden Holtby (4.3). Canucks agree to retain 1.3 on Holtby's contract which is in the last season of the contract. Such a transaction will end up adding 2.3 to the Capitals in cap and clearing some cap for the Canucks and two players that they've been rumored to be looking to move.
Overall cap change will be the 3.3 from the Rangers deal plus 6.5 from the Oilers deal taking away 2.3 from the Canucks deal. Total net gain via the cap would be 7.5.. With 2.3 on top of the 9.735 going to Ovechkin's next contract, bringing the cap space down to 5.2 with 2 of that going to Samsonov leaving roughly 3.2 in cap. The 3.2 in cap can go to resigning Rafl and Chara or some other veteran dman for the 7th d.
The following Caps would then be in the last year of their contracts, Strome, Holtby, Dowd with Sprong a RFA.
Caps line up:
Ovechkin - Backstrom - Sprong
Mantha - Strome - Wilson
Rafl/Sheary - Eller - Oshie
Sheary/Rafl - Dowd - Hathaway
Orlov - Carlson
TVR - Schmidt
Fever - Jensen
(Chara or ?)
Samsonov
Holtby
Scary to think how many other sleeper cell agents must be out there, waiting to be activated and carry out their mission to come here and shit stir
I know, it's way more fun to come to a board like this and everyone agree on everything.
Here is what GMBM did that was great. Single best move. He said Holtby was the number 1 guy which let Holtby settle in to his role. It's true that Grubby helped get the Caps to the playoffs, but in the moment, it was a great move.
The Oshie trade and signing the pair of Pens were great moves.
But this is no different than GMGM, who people here fairly criticize. Yet, without GMGM and the drafts he had, this team may never win a Cup. GMs get judged on all their actions, not just the ones you like.
So GMBM did great but he's also been really bad in areas. Drafting has been a problem. Player development. Giving out contracts to marginal players. So now we are at a place where the Caps have cap issues, the team is older and slower and they are coming off a series of first round losses.
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Only if he returns to his 17/18 or 18/19 form. We have not seen that from him. Caps fans have a tendency to value our players on where we drafted them or their career high water mark and not their recent peformance. That being said, this is more about the cap then quality in quality out.
That makes it WAY worse. Anyone thinking it's good trading a 1st and a 2nd to get rid of that contract with a $3 million cap hit is an idiot. The Flyers just traded a higher cap hit/worse contract and only gave up a 2nd and 7th.
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We can sign Ovie for 4x10 and Sammy to a prove it bridge deal of 1 or 2 mil and only need to move Shultz 4 mil to be cap compliant.
While a number are hoping for Kuzy to be moved to provide Cap relief/shake things up - I'd say it's a much safer bet for something like this to happen.
While a number are hoping for Kuzy to be moved to provide Cap relief/shake things up - I'd say it's a much safer bet for something like this to happen.
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I agree, GMBM has made moves that worked and didn't work. And nobody is saying all he touches turns to Gold. But with a closing window this is the type of moves you need to make. We decided long ago 2025+ would not be our year. We committed to that. So to rip a guy (you said fire him) for doing what he is supposed to be doing, I don't get it. Yes we can critique some of his moves (Panik, Hagelin), but no GM gets everything right, and he did bring us a Cup. Also a lot of this was beyond his control (flat tax, Lundquist, +covid test, etc..)
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You're judging player development based on what? He's had the job for a handful of seasons. In that same period let's look at who McPhee has drafted, and how they're doing:
Vegas Golden Knights Draft History at hockeydb.com
Is that knocking it out of the park compared to Gmbm? Do you see a lot of Vegas regulars on that list?
McPhee had a lot of high picks that carried his teams, and he got those high picks by making some big mistakes. He then f***ed up on a lot of picks, too. He also made plenty...PLENTY of bad decisions on contracts and trades, in addition to generally ignoring obvious holes in the lineup for years.
GMBM may not knock it out of the park every time but one thing he's done is try to address those glaring needs (2C, top 4 defensemen, etc). And he has a Cup while McPhee doesn't.
LOL, BM has been the GM for the last 7 years. GMGM hit on a ton of draft picks that weren't top picks. Many do a tiny bit of research so you aren't so completely wrong.
In 6 drafts since he's been in charge (7th coming up), I believe there is only 1 player from all those drafts that starts on the team. That's not a good record.
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Caps lowballed him and now he is going to test free agency
I heard he was signing with the Penguins
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I have to ask. Who among Orlov, Carlson, Jensen, TvR, Fehervary, Kempny and say.....Schmidt would you want to out muscle Ovechkin, Backstrom and Wilson for rebounds in front of your goalie?
txpd
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Research? Have you done any?
97 when McPhee took over - Nobody past round 2 pick 35 played an NHL game (5 other picks didn't play a single NHL game)
98 - Krys Barch round 4 played 381 NHL games but did nothing (5 picks played 0 NHL games 4 others played a combined 40 NHL games)
99 - Nolan Yonkman played 76 NHL games as a 2nd round pick but was probably an NHLer only because of our weak D
00 - Pettinger as a early 2nd rounder played 422 NHL games (3picks after the 2nd round played 0NHL games)
01 - Oduya in the 7th round 850 games (other 8 picks after round 2 played 0)
02 - Picks from rounds 2-9 (10 players) played a combined 0 NHL games
03 - 5 picks after round 1 (1 NHL game combined)
04 - 8 picks after round 2 Lepisto played 176 games other 7 (combined 78)
05 - 7 picks including 2 1st rounders with a grand total of 183 NHL games
06 - 6 picks outside of round 2 - Perreault 683 NHL games - other 5 picks 3 total games
07 - 9 picks outside of round 1 (0 NHL games)
08 - 6 picks outside of round 2 - Holtby in round 4 other 5 picks 7 NHL games
09 - Eakin in round 3 other 4 picks outside of round 2 10 NHL games
10 - Grubauer in round 4 - Other 3 picks outside of 1st round 26 NHL games
11 - 4 picks 1 NHL player Travis Boyd 124 games
12 - Stephenson, Carrick, Djoos ok decent picks (not world beaters or studs by any means) other 5 picks outside of round 1 12 NHL games
13 - 3 picks outside of round 2 12 NHL games
Far cry from knocking it out of the park as you're claiming.
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I guess i would take the guys who watched the most tape of the Bruins small D's doing just that in the Playoffs.
Half of the guys you listed did a pretty good job doing just that in our Cup run.
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Oh sorry, 6 is a "baker's handful" I guess. LOL
McPhee left the drafting to his staff, iirc, and it eventually improved. Have you ever looked at his draft history prior to the rebuild/Ovechkin when they stocked up on high picks? It's not great. And for much of his tenure it was expected that all the high draft picks were going to be roster players for the big club. That focus changed after he was gone, with more emphasis on rebuilding the farm system. GMBM has also never picked higher than 22nd overall, while McPhee had enjoyed much higher positioning to build some of the core players for the Cup run.
Who's starting for Vegas that McPhee drafted? It's 4 drafts vs 6. One guy, plus another 2-way player? We're talking about kids who usually go to college or the minors before they're ripe enough in their early 20s to even try and dent the lineup. The Capitals have been in "win now" mode for GMBM's entire tenure and with a few exceptions there's been little room for upward mobility.
So what else you got? What are you basing your failed development opinion on, other than some superficial analysis of starting players that ignores the actual opportunities for promotion (and McPhee's actual draft history)?
Sure.
You joined this board well before the Stanley Cup win. Yet not One Single Post exalting that historic achievement. NOT ONE
Then we see you posting a litany of negativity about the team, during what is seemingly a low point for GMBM, and you expect us to take you seriously? Every Single Post is a dig at the GM or their moves. ALL of THEM.
Look, no one is looking for people to be pollyanna’s here, but if you won’t post anything positive even when positive things happen (including the most positive thing ever) don’t think you won’t be seen as a troll when all you want to do is negatively stir up the pot.
but whatever. You do you.
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And iirc they bailed way too early on Oduya...he never played a game as a Cap. Nice job, Gmgm.
So McPhee's first 6 years were not all that stellar even after we've had time to see the player progression.
GMBM's picks from his first draft are just now hitting that ~23 yr old threshold. So let's wait and see how some of this plays out.
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