Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2021 Off-Season Pt. 2

[Gopack76]

The caps desperately need a new GM. Wish we had an owner that would hire GMs from outside the organization. It's amazing how badly GMBM has mismanaged the cap situation and how how many picks he's already given away to try to fix things in the past.
Caps would've been in a much better place without the Vrana trade. They could've potentially traded the rights to Vrana, they'd still have the first and second they gave away and enough cap space to get Ovechkin and Samsonov signed.

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

The caps desperately need a new GM. Wish we had an owner that would hire GMs from outside the organization. It's amazing how badly GMBM has mismanaged the cap situation and how how many picks he's already given away to try to fix things in the past.
Caps would've been in a much better place without the Vrana trade. They could've potentially traded the rights to Vrana, they'd still have the first and second they gave away and enough cap space to get Ovechkin and Samsonov signed.

 

[txpd]

Thirteen back-to-back pairs of games as part of the 2021-22 schedule (and that's before COVID Delta shoots this schedule to hell). That's more than 30% of their regular season schedule being played as part of a B2B. So much for a not compressed schedule...

At the same time 8 of those back to backs the Caps have 2 days off before and 1 they have 2 days off immediately after.

 

[Calicaps]

The cap situation is fairly obvious.

It's substantially less clear than it would be if they released the specifics of Ovie's deal. The difference between a $10M AAV and one at $12M is huge in this environment. Like I said, just relax. Honestly, Ovie resigning is the least of our concerns right now.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

13 back to backs seems pretty normal for 82 game season. Does mean we need another goalie with VV picked Copley did OK his season as backup, I could even be talked into Anderson again on league min deal again.

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

13 back to backs seems pretty normal for 82 game season. Does mean we need another goalie with VV picked Copley did OK his season as backup, I could even be talked into Anderson again on league min deal again.

Given Samsonov’s injury history...I’m not sold on a crap backup.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Given Samsonov’s injury history...I’m not sold on a crap backup.

With the cap space we might not have a choice... lol

 

[txpd]

Given Samsonov’s injury history...I’m not sold on a crap backup.

Its Samsonov or bust

 

[TheLegendOfPatPeake]

Its Samsonov or bust

God help us all.

 

[Rayquaza64]

we need a good backup. which also means we need cap space. goodbye evgeny kuznetsov

 

[Corby78]

The caps desperately need a new GM. Wish we had an owner that would hire GMs from outside the organization. It's amazing how badly GMBM has mismanaged the cap situation and how how many picks he's already given away to try to fix things in the past.
Caps would've been in a much better place without the Vrana trade. They could've potentially traded the rights to Vrana, they'd still have the first and second they gave away and enough cap space to get Ovechkin and Samsonov signed.

I feel like some people can’t remember past one season ago.

 

[Gopack76]

I feel like some people can’t remember past one season ago.

You mean when the Caps let a Stanley Cup winning coach go so they could waste two years with the assistant they just had to promote. I respect the GMBM helped the Caps get a Cup, but he didn't build that team and he's made a lot of bad moves. Letting Trotz go and hiring Reirdon was a trainwreck, the Vrana trade which was trading a LW to get another RW (that made no sense) plus giving up the picks to move payroll (which he's done in the past), giving out contracts immediately to players he trades for mid-season and overpaying guys like Hags.

The cap situation is probably gonna cost the Caps more draft assets to fix and if another team really wanted Samsonov, the Caps would be in real trouble. We can also talk about the team getting old and slow, another reason trading Vrana was dumb, and not developing talent to supplement the core, which is how a team doesn't get in cap trouble.

But please, pretend everything was rosy a year ago.

 

[Corby78]

You mean when the Caps let a Stanley Cup winning coach go so they could waste two years with the assistant they just had to promote. I respect the GMBM helped the Caps get a Cup, but he didn't build that team and he's made a lot of bad moves. Letting Trotz go and hiring Reirdon was a trainwreck, the Vrana trade which was trading a LW to get another RW (that made no sense) plus giving up the picks to move payroll (which he's done in the past), giving out contracts immediately to players he trades for mid-season and overpaying guys like Hags.

The cap situation is probably gonna cost the Caps more draft assets to fix and if another team really wanted Samsonov, the Caps would be in real trouble. We can also talk about the team getting old and slow, another reason trading Vrana was dumb, and not developing talent to supplement the core, which is how a team doesn't get in cap trouble.

But please, pretend everything was rosy a year ago.

Oh geeze trotz again? That’s been beaten to death and your narrative is missing a lot of key details. As is your vrana narrative. And yes he did get us a cup, our only one. Not everything is rosy. Sammy has not stepped up and our backup had health issues. Panik was a bust and Schultz didn’t return to old form. But we need a GM who will be aggressive and go for it. Sitting back and playing safe is not going to help Ovie get number 2

and please enlighten me on how to be buyers on the TDL and not sacrifice that talent you want to develop, not to mention picking in the late 20s every year. And how does Vrana staying help this Corp when he doesn’t want to play the coaches style and not getting ice time?

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

The caps desperately need a new GM. Wish we had an owner that would hire GMs from outside the organization. It's amazing how badly GMBM has mismanaged the cap situation and how how many picks he's already given away to try to fix things in the past.
Caps would've been in a much better place without the Vrana trade. They could've potentially traded the rights to Vrana, they'd still have the first and second they gave away and enough cap space to get Ovechkin and Samsonov signed.

Stupid GMBM not foreseeing a global pandemic creating a flat cap for two consecutive years. What a world class idiot that guy is.

 

[Gopack76]

Stupid GMBM not foreseeing a global pandemic creating a flat cap for two consecutive years. What a world class idiot that guy is.

Let me think, oh yeah, GMBM has traded players in the past before the pandemic with picks attached to clear cap space.

 

[Gopack76]

Oh geeze trotz again? That’s been beaten to death and your narrative is missing a lot of key details. As is your vrana narrative. And yes he did get us a cup, our only one. Not everything is rosy. Sammy has not stepped up and our backup had health issues. Panik was a bust and Schultz didn’t return to old form. But we need a GM who will be aggressive and go for it. Sitting back and playing safe is not going to help Ovie get number 2

and please enlighten me on how to be buyers on the TDL and not sacrifice that talent you want to develop, not to mention picking in the late 20s every year. And how does Vrana staying help this Corp when he doesn’t want to play the coaches style and not getting ice time?

Oh geez, bringing up all the mistakes to prove a point!! Can't have that. Do you actually read what you write?

On Vrana, he played far better than Mantha did. If the Caps don't make that trade, they have a few million more in cap space and their first round pick this year.

GMBM being aggressive at the TDL, has rarely paid off. And if he didn't automatically throw contracts at every TDL acquisition, they could've managed the cap a lot better.

Per late first round picks, you really don't know what you are talking about. Carlson, Kuzy, Samsonov and Bura were all late first rounders. The Caps have been awful at drafting and developing for 5 years now. No one from 2016 or sooner is a regular on this team. The lack of player development means spending on FAs. That's how a team has cap problems. And when you have serious cap problems, it becomes a lot harder to get an impactful player at the TDL.

The idea of being aggressive and going for it has failed, but let's keep doing it and trading all the younger, faster players away in favor of more expensive vets. Good plan.

 

[traparatus]

Oh geez, bringing up all the mistakes to prove a point!! Can't have that. Do you actually read what you write?

On Vrana, he played far better than Mantha did. If the Caps don't make that trade, they have a few million more in cap space and their first round pick this year.

GMBM being aggressive at the TDL, has rarely paid off. And if he didn't automatically throw contracts at every TDL acquisition, they could've managed the cap a lot better.

Per late first round picks, you really don't know what you are talking about. Carlson, Kuzy, Samsonov and Bura were all late first rounders. The Caps have been awful at drafting and developing for 5 years now. No one from 2016 or sooner is a regular on this team. The lack of player development means spending on FAs. That's how a team has cap problems. And when you have serious cap problems, it becomes a lot harder to get an impactful player at the TDL.

The idea of being aggressive and going for it has failed, but let's keep doing it and trading all the younger, faster players away in favor of more expensive vets. Good plan.

You are putting a very negative spin on every action BMac has taken. It's unfair. A lot of his actions have paid off handsomely and almost all of them are well reasoned. The team has enjoyed a lot of success under his watch and a lot of it is due to BMac's actions. Even his more controversial moves usually have a good explanation. Trotz situation has been beaten to death and was certainly more complicated than you are making it out to be. I think replacing Vrana with Mantha is better than replacing Vrana with cap space, etc.

Still, I'm not dismissing your points. Caps drafting past 1st round has absolutely stunk for a very long time. This has directly contributed to the current cap situation. A team should be able to draft and develop one bottom-6 forward in... I honestly can't remember the last time it happened. Stephenson?

Losing that 1st round pick hurts but something had to be done to clear some cap space. The Schultz signing, I cannot explain or defend. It stinks and was made with full knowledge of the pandemic and flat cap future. Just not having that contract on the books would solve pretty much all of Caps' problems.

 

[Raikkonen]

Ive heard dollar value is shrinking. Maybe that makes Ovi's camp think they should go heavy frontload road which could yield some weird contract with lower cap hit in the end.

That would help both parties.

 

[trick9]

Hoping for Dillon <> #41 trade to be announced shortly.

 

[g00n]

Ive heard dollar value is shrinking. Maybe that makes Ovi's camp think they should go heavy frontload road which could yield some weird contract with lower cap hit in the end.

That would help both parties.

Based on what?

 

[Random schmoe]

Hoping for Dillon <> #41 trade to be announced shortly.

Feel like they'll be lucky to get #141 for him.

 

[Corby78]

You are putting a very negative spin on every action BMac has taken. It's unfair. A lot of his actions have paid off handsomely and almost all of them are well reasoned. The team has enjoyed a lot of success under his watch and a lot of it is due to BMac's actions. Even his more controversial moves usually have a good explanation. Trotz situation has been beaten to death and was certainly more complicated than you are making it out to be. I think replacing Vrana with Mantha is better than replacing Vrana with cap space, etc.

Still, I'm not dismissing your points. Caps drafting past 1st round has absolutely stunk for a very long time. This has directly contributed to the current cap situation. A team should be able to draft and develop one bottom-6 forward in... I honestly can't remember the last time it happened. Stephenson?

Losing that 1st round pick hurts but something had to be done to clear some cap space. The Schultz signing, I cannot explain or defend. It stinks and was made with full knowledge of the pandemic and flat cap future. Just not having that contract on the books would solve pretty much all of Caps' problems.

This, and let’s not act like GMs are winning cups left and right, it’s hard to do. Only caps fans would complain about the best run this team has ever had, and the best GM we have had. People couldn’t stand GMGMs slow unagressive style.
And let’s count the recent number of cup winners who then didn’t have cap issues soon after……

 

[Caps8112]

You mean when the Caps let a Stanley Cup winning coach go so they could waste two years with the assistant they just had to promote. I respect the GMBM helped the Caps get a Cup, but he didn't build that team and he's made a lot of bad moves. Letting Trotz go and hiring Reirdon was a trainwreck, the Vrana trade which was trading a LW to get another RW (that made no sense) plus giving up the picks to move payroll (which he's done in the past), giving out contracts immediately to players he trades for mid-season and overpaying guys like Hags.

The cap situation is probably gonna cost the Caps more draft assets to fix and if another team really wanted Samsonov, the Caps would be in real trouble. We can also talk about the team getting old and slow, another reason trading Vrana was dumb, and not developing talent to supplement the core, which is how a team doesn't get in cap trouble.

But please, pretend everything was rosy a year ago.

this has all probably been said but Trotz/GMBM relationship was over before the playoffs. THey built a team that could not beat the penguins and a new direction was going to be implemented. Then they kinda sorta accidentally went ahead and caught lightning in a bottle and became the team they always should have been and won the whole thing. At that point they had already let the cat out of the bag with Trotz knowing he wasnt going to be resigned before the playoffs and Reirdon all set to take over. Trotz is also severely overrated on these boards. He has won exactly the same amount of Cups as the caps since leaving the Caps.

Do not understand why people are still upset over vrana. Couldn't afford an uncoachable player who disappears in the playoffs. Traded for another potentially good player. win imo

 

[Todd Lazarchick]

Oh geez, bringing up all the mistakes to prove a point!! Can't have that. Do you actually read what you write?

On Vrana, he played far better than Mantha did. If the Caps don't make that trade, they have a few million more in cap space and their first round pick this year.

GMBM being aggressive at the TDL, has rarely paid off. And if he didn't automatically throw contracts at every TDL acquisition, they could've managed the cap a lot better.

Per late first round picks, you really don't know what you are talking about. Carlson, Kuzy, Samsonov and Bura were all late first rounders. The Caps have been awful at drafting and developing for 5 years now. No one from 2016 or sooner is a regular on this team. The lack of player development means spending on FAs. That's how a team has cap problems. And when you have serious cap problems, it becomes a lot harder to get an impactful player at the TDL.

The idea of being aggressive and going for it has failed, but let's keep doing it and trading all the younger, faster players away in favor of more expensive vets. Good plan.

Oh boy. Where would we be without mister playoff goose egg himself. I hate to be the one to tell you, Vrana sucks. He's fast...and that's about it. He isn't a consistent scoring threat. He doesn't play a 200ft game. He's a defensive liability. Let it go.

 

[tenken00]

It will certainly be interesting to see what Mantha does with a full season in Washington under his belt with some settling into the area and into his new team.