Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 3

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Schultz is an injury risk to be sure, but then why even sign TVR if Jensen is staying? In case of short term injury call up LaDue as 3RD and move Jensen to RD. If long term injury, call Fever up instead.

Because you generally want a #7 that's better than LaDue.

They don't need to maximize the value they get out of TvR in order for TvR to be a good addition. They don't need to build their roster around showcasing TvR, they simply got a good value add in TvR that helps their organizational depth.
 
Because you generally want a #7 that's better than LaDue.
When is the last time the Caps had a better 7D than LaDue over the course of a full season? I think in any case of an extended need for a fill in Dman, Fever is filling that role anyways. LaDue is either the 8th D playing top pair in Hershey or with the big club filling in for a game or two here and there.
 
There is some chance we are done and thats it for the offseason but also maybe there is going to be a little bit of change with the forward group but that would need at least one of Jensen/Panik/Hagelin being shipped out or maybe we sign some forward on league minimum. We are most likely done with D (maybe Jensen gets traded).



Do you think any of these forwards would be willing to sign a cheap deal with us and be productive in bottom 6?
 
There is some chance we are done and thats it for the offseason but also maybe there is going to be a little bit of change with the forward group but that would need at least one of Jensen/Panik/Hagelin being shipped out or maybe we sign some forward on league minimum. We are most likely done with D (maybe Jensen gets traded).



Do you think any of these forwards would be willing to sign a cheap deal with us and be productive in bottom 6?
Troy Brouwer......

The two that interest me aren't on that list actually and I don't think that they have signed yet. Duclair and Galchenyuk would be a huge boost to the 3rd line
 
But who takes Jensen? So many teams are looking to move a contract to either dump or get under the cap. It won’t be easy IMO. I’m thinking they stick with 7D, Fehervary / LaDue in AHL

I good point was brought up on NBC about the team announcing LaDue with jersey number on social media accounts and a press conference. Doesn't seem like we'd be doing that for an AHL defenseman.
 
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Troy Brouwer......

The two that interest me aren't on that list actually and I don't think that they have signed yet. Duclair and Galchenyuk would be a huge boost to the 3rd line

Would love either of these signings. Neither are sure things. Duclair is all offense no defense and Glachenyuk is is need of a major career revival. I think either of these two are prime examples of someone that might sign at a minimum for help boost their career. My favorite is still Perry. Shot at a cup, solid vet, pain to play against. Can play 3rd or 4th line. Just don't see him coming in at vet min tho.
 
When is the last time the Caps had a better 7D than LaDue over the course of a full season? I think in any case of an extended need for a fill in Dman, Fever is filling that role anyways. LaDue is either the 8th D playing top pair in Hershey or with the big club filling in for a game or two here and there.

Basically every season. LaDue is a replacement for Lewington, he's not some high end 7D who lost out on a numbers game somewhere. He's a spot filling depth defenseman who will see most of his duty in the AHL. Is he better than, say, Aaron Ness or Taylor Chorney? Sure. But that's not exactly something that indicates they have a trade up their sleeves.
 
Not sure if it's already been discussed but The Hockey News recently came out with a Collector's Edition Top 100 Defensemen Of All-Time. Good showing by Caps:
#17 Scott Stevens
#33 Rod Langway
#44 Larry Murphy
#69 Sergei Gonchar
#70 John Carlson
#86 Kevin Hatcher

Mind boggling that Stevens, Langway, Murphy and Hatcher once patroled the Caps blue line at the same time.

Current NHL players that made the list besides Carlson:
#23 Zdeno Chara
#26 Duncan Keith
#27 Erik Karlsson (I have issues with this)
#31 Drew Doughty
#45 Shea Weber
#48 Brent Burns
#50 Victor Hedman
#61 Ryan Suter
#66 Alex Pietrangelo
#68 P.K. Subban
#72 Kris Letang
#76 Mark Giordano
#79 Roman Jossi
 
Basically every season. LaDue is a replacement for Lewington, he's not some high end 7D who lost out on a numbers game somewhere. He's a spot filling depth defenseman who will see most of his duty in the AHL. Is he better than, say, Aaron Ness or Taylor Chorney? Sure. But that's not exactly something that indicates they have a trade up their sleeves.
Basically every season? Please name one then. Once again, LaDue is either mostly a healthy scratch, filling in for a game or 2 in WSH or playing top pair in Hershey, and behind Fever in the depth chart either way.

The Caps don’t need a high end number 7. They have 7 capable defensemen right now, not including Kempny, Fever, or LaDue. Even if Jensen is traded, Fever is essentially the 7D which is a luxury, and LaDue is the de facto 8D, a role he would be very well suited for. So what is the problem exactly?
 
Karlsson was a legitimate MVP candidate for a few seasons. His recent years have been subpar but I don't think it's unreasonable to put him in the top company. I certainly think he's been much more impactful than Drew Doughty, for instance, who is probably the most overrated defenseman in the game today.
 
Basically every season? Please name one then. Once again, LaDue is either mostly a healthy scratch, filling in for a game or 2 in WSH or playing top pair in Hershey, and behind Fever in the depth chart either way.
2018-19 (Jonas Siegenthaler/Christian Djoos), not exactly far in the past.

The Caps don’t need a high end number 7. They have 7 capable defensemen right now, not including Kempny, Fever, or LaDue. Even if Jensen is traded, Fever is essentially the 7D which is a luxury, and LaDue is the de facto 8D, a role he would be very well suited for. So what is the problem exactly?
The considerations about trading Jensen have nothing to do with the #7 defenseman. They have to do with whether or not you believe Justin Schultz is going to be a top 4 D.

But I'm not really debating whether they should trade Jensen. I'm arguing that the acquisitions of TVR and LaDue are not in any way indicative that they want to trade Jensen. They're paying TVR like a #7. They're paying LaDue like a Hershey-bound #8/9 on a two-way deal.
 
People forget how unreal Karlsson was in Ottawa. Injuries have slowed him down to the point where he's a shadow of the player he was, but there was a several year span that he was something special, and had argument for being the best player in the league. I still remember him basically willing the Senators to Game 7 of the ECF in 2017, more or less by himself. Averaging 28 minutes per night in those playoffs, leading his team in scoring, +13 in only 19 games (next best on the team was +5). Outside of Karlsson, there wasn't much on that team. Bobby Ryan, Mark Stone, Mike Hoffman, and Derrick Brassard aren't exactly a forward corp that you get excited about.
 
2018-19 (Jonas Siegenthaler/Christian Djoos), not exactly far in the past.


The considerations about trading Jensen have nothing to do with the #7 defenseman. They have to do with whether or not you believe Justin Schultz is going to be a top 4 D.

But I'm not really debating whether they should trade Jensen. I'm arguing that the acquisitions of TVR and LaDue are not in any way indicative that they want to trade Jensen. They're paying TVR like a #7. They're paying LaDue like a Hershey-bound #8/9 on a two-way deal.
Djoos was injured for 3 months in 2018/2019. He was never the #7. Siegenthaler was in Hershey when he wasn’t in Washington. He also wasn’t a #7. If anything he was more like what Fever will likely be this year, not a true #7 that didn’t play much.

I think Schultz is certainly going to be a top 4D to start out. If he falters or gets injured, the question is how you view TVR and Jensen. If you think there’s not much of a drop off there, it makes sense to trade Jensen and use that extra cap space on a forward, or bank it for the TDL.
 
There is some chance we are done and thats it for the offseason but also maybe there is going to be a little bit of change with the forward group but that would need at least one of Jensen/Panik/Hagelin being shipped out or maybe we sign some forward on league minimum. We are most likely done with D (maybe Jensen gets traded).



Do you think any of these forwards would be willing to sign a cheap deal with us and be productive in bottom 6?
Josh Leivo could be a decent add.
 
PK Subban over Carly?? Bye list

PK ranks on Carlson for 1 reason only.

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Miscast and underutilized in Toronto, Josh Leivo was well on his way to establishing himself as a quality middle-six forward in Vancouver.
Leivo was counted on as a strong two-way presence who could play both wings while shuffling up and down every line in the top nine. The 27-year-old isn’t dynamic enough to help in transition — he’s very much a complementary winger — but he’s a beast at winning board battles and was really effective on the forecheck which quietly helped him drive excellent 5-on-5 results. Since joining the Canucks in the middle of the 2018-19 campaign, he ranks behind only J.T. Miller and Elias Pettersson with a 51.1 percent expected goal differential, with Vancouver controlling 55.6 percent of actual goals with him on the ice.
Leivo’s offensive numbers don’t jump off the page but that’s because he isn’t much of a power play threat. At 5-on-5, he’s put up 1.61 points per hour over the last two years, which is a credible middle-six pace.
The only concern (and it’s a major one) with Leivo is health. He took a brutal season-ending hit from Vegas’ Nick Holden in December that broke his kneecap and wasn’t fit to play more than seven months later for Vancouver in the playoffs. Canucks general manager Jim Benning confirmed that Leivo would have returned if the team made it to the Stanley Cup Final so he’ll certainly play again, it’s just a matter of if he’ll be able to pick up where he left off. That’s a valid concern when you consider the effect that a major knee injury could have on a forward who’s already a below-average skater.
For that reason, Leivo is probably in the market to sign a one-year deal that should come close to $1 million. He could prove to be a bargain, a capable third-line winger for that type of price, but a team would have to be confident he can put this injury behind him.

This is what Dom L. had to say about him on The Athletic, ranking him as the #6 FA still available. I thought he was always pretty decent in TOR, just had injury problems. I think a guy like Kahun could work also, but I like the fact that Leivo is RH as well.
 
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