Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 1

[pman25]

I’d like to see McMichael get a shot at least for his 9 games. What’s Laviolettes attitude towards young players and rookies?

 

[Kalopsia]

The problem with an offer sheet is they usually occur later in the off season and they're rarely successful.

By the time the Caps hypothetical offer sheet would be signed, most of the UFAs will be gone and all the trades will have been made. So if Tampa matches, we're f***ed.

You can make an offer sheet as soon as free agency opens, so there's no reason they couldn't make an offer sheet early on and turn to the UFA options if he turns it down. I guess the problem would be the week Tampa has to match, though I don't know how they could possibly match a 4M/year offer.

 

[IafrateOvie34]

Yogi was my first thought. I remember him being traded during a day game. He had skill and soft as butter, but boy did he make a NHL debut.

 

[um]

You can make an offer sheet as soon as free agency opens, so there's no reason they couldn't make an offer sheet early on and turn to the UFA options if he turns it down. I guess the problem would be the week Tampa has to match, though I don't know how they could possibly match a 4M/year offer.

even if he signs immediately (which is unlikely) Tampa has a week to match it. In that first week all the big UFAs will sign and a lot of trades would have been made.

 

[Kalopsia]

even if he signs immediately (which is unlikely) Tampa has a week to match it. In that first week all the big UFAs will sign and a lot of trades would have been made.

Did you miss my second sentence? Anyway, if Tampa's already gotten enough of their other guys to waive so that they have room to match it then sure, forget about him and sign a UFA, but if they're still in cap hell when free agency starts then I think the risk of them matching is pretty low. Could always just trade for his RFA rights, too.

 

[francaisvolantsparis]

Source: Alex Ovechkin’s likely asking price believed to be Connor McDavid money

Source: Alex Ovechkin’s likely asking price believed to be Connor McDavid money

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Not sure where RMNB got the source but they have turned into a shitty click bait hockey blog.

Edit - it’s a unnamed source close to the caps. Saved you the time reading that trash

 

[Melkor]

Lol 12,5M..he's crazy if he's asking that. I get it he's a hockey God in DC and all but the guy is already producing like your average star/1st line player although most of that production is goals and it's going to get only worse. 10 is the ceiling and even that would be a bad contract if it's for 4+ years.

 

[OV Rocks]

Not sure where RMNB got the source but they have turned into a shitty click bait hockey blog.

Edit - it’s a unnamed source close to the caps. Saved you the time reading that trash

Japers and RMNB have dipped too far into politics for my liking. 5-8 years ago they were the best, asked the hard questions that everyone wanted to hear, and probably were on here themselves.

Now they are almost too legit as a media company

 

[txpd]

Lol 12,5M..he's crazy if he's asking that. I get it he's a hockey God in DC and all but the guy is already producing like your average star/1st line player although most of that production is goals and it's going to get only worse. 10 is the ceiling and even that would be a bad contract if it's for 4+ years.

I hear ya. Let him walk. Right? Better yet, can we trade him now and not lose him for nothing?

 

[txpd]

I still think Cernak is the best bang-for-your-buck addition they can make. A 5 year x $4M offer sheet would only cost the Caps their 2021 2nd rounder. He'd almost certainly be cheaper than the guys like Brodie, Tanev, and Hamonic, and the asset cost is lower than if they traded for a guy like Dumba. Worst case, Tampa matches and it makes it even harder for them to retain Cirelli and Sergachev. Best case, he and Orlov makes for a really strong shutdown pairing.

By definition and offer sheet is NEVER a good bang for your buck.

 

[hb13xchamps]

By definition and offer sheet is NEVER a good bang for your buck.

Only losing a 2nd rounder for a young, up and coming NHL player is not bang for your buck? The Caps have had decent success with 2nd rounders lately in the draft but a 2021 draft pick isn't helping this team win a Stanley Cup anytime soon.

 

[tenken00]

Oh man how much would Tampa absolutely HATE us if we sent an offer sheet?

Let's do it.

 

[searle]

Not sure how the RFA years work, is there a deal the caps could offer that puts him right to free agency that a team usually wouldn't offer?

If it's a player friendly length and we still get 2-3 years for a second rounder then it could be well worth it.

Shame the state tax thing might make it a challenge to get him out of Florida

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Didn't the Habs offer sheet Aho? Seems like the canes were smart to match.

 

[txpd]

Only losing a 2nd rounder for a young, up and coming NHL player is not bang for your buck? The Caps have had decent success with 2nd rounders lately in the draft but a 2021 draft pick isn't helping this team win a Stanley Cup anytime soon.

Wrong bang. The only way you get a player with an offer sheet is with a max plus contract for the player. Otherwise the Lightning match it. The 2nd rounder is beside the point. How much contract is going to have to be in play for TB to walk away with a 2nd round pick? After taking that much cap space off the table with the offer sheet contract, how many roster players are going to have to be moved to make room?

 

[txpd]

Shame the state tax thing might make it a challenge to get him out of Florida

IIRC, and someone will correct me if I am wrong, a no state tax player is still paying state and local taxes on the road. Its not as big a thing as you might think

 

[tenken00]

Not sure how the RFA years work, is there a deal the caps could offer that puts him right to free agency that a team usually wouldn't offer?

If it's a player friendly length and we still get 2-3 years for a second rounder then it could be well worth it.

Shame the state tax thing might make it a challenge to get him out of Florida

RFA still is a free agent, it just leaves the team with the right to match any offers as long as they gave that RFA a qualifying offer (1 year deal at player's previous annual salary or a bit more depending on the salary) by the deadline. If that player signs an offer sheet from another team and the previous team refuses to match, the new team sends the old team a draft pick compensation.

The thing about Tampa's situation is that they only have around $5 million in cap space or something like that with only 15 players on the roster next season.

The terms or years of contract is whatever the team giving the offer sheet feels like.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[hb13xchamps]

Wrong bang. The only way you get a player with an offer sheet is with a max plus contract for the player. Otherwise the Lightning match it. The 2nd rounder is beside the point. How much contract is going to have to be in play for TB to walk away with a 2nd round pick? After taking that much cap space off the table with the offer sheet contract, how many roster players are going to have to be moved to make room?

I'm pretty sure their going to be maxed out next year SC wise. They have just over $10 million in cap space and have to resign Sergachev, Cernak, and Cirelli as RFAs. They're gonna have to let guys like Maroon, Shattenkirk and Bogosian walk and still might have to move someone.

That's just factoring in this offseason and not next year when Goodrow, Paquette, and Coleman are UFAs

 

[Hivemind]

I’d like to see McMichael get a shot at least for his 9 games. What’s Laviolettes attitude towards young players and rookies?

The CHL season will likely be in full swing by the time the NHL starts camps. Not sure if it will be worth pulling McMichael out of that.

 

[txpd]

I'm pretty sure their going to be maxed out next year SC wise. They have just over $10 million in cap space and have to resign Sergachev, Cernak, and Cirelli as RFAs. They're gonna have to let guys like Maroon, Shattenkirk and Bogosian walk and still might have to move someone.

That's just factoring in this offseason and not next year when Goodrow, Paquette, and Coleman are UFAs

How they manage their cap is up to them, but like the Capitals have done, they will move players around to make the cap fit. Losing a good player rfa to a good contract offer sheet for next to nothing, makes no sense at all. Tampa isnt going to do that

 

[tenken00]

I think the going thought around the NHL is that if you mess with my RFAs, I'll mess with your RFAs when the time comes.

You see offer sheets in the NBA all the time. The NHL is too paranoid.

 

[txpd]

RFA still is a free agent, it just leaves the team with the right to match any offers as long as they gave that RFA a qualifying offer (1 year deal at player's previous annual salary or a bit more depending on the salary) by the deadline. If that player signs an offer sheet from another team and the previous team refuses to match, the new team sends the old team a draft pick compensation.

The thing about Tampa's situation is that they only have around $5 million in cap space or something like that with only 15 players on the roster next season.

The terms or years of contract is whatever the team giving the offer sheet feels like.

If they need cap space to keep this player, they will move salary to create the space they need. Like the Caps did when they traded Johansson.

Further, if the guy is generally known to be free to walk, dont you think the competition throughout the league for him will be significant and by definition expensive?

 

[searle]

RFA still is a free agent, it just leaves the team with the right to match any offers as long as they gave that RFA a qualifying offer (1 year deal at player's previous annual salary or a bit more depending on the salary) by the deadline. If that player signs an offer sheet from another team and the previous team refuses to match, the new team sends the old team a draft pick compensation.

The thing about Tampa's situation is that they only have around $5 million in cap space or something like that with only 15 players on the roster next season.

The terms or years of contract is whatever the team giving the offer sheet feels like.

That's a good way of looking at it.

Why not offer Cernak 2 years @ 4.1m, he gets decent money for a couple of years, we get 2 years of a player for a 2nd rounder, he gets to potentially walk in 2 years/we trade him for assets/we resign him/someone else offer sheets him.


Yes, could come back to bite us with Vrana etc., but we're talking about Ovi's twilight years, so I for one say f*** everyone that isn't us, happy to deal with the consequences when we suck anyway in 3-4 years.