Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) - 2020 Offseason Pt. 1

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Langway

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He's playing a lot more and, yeah, with much better players in Vegas so naturally he's positioned to be more productive. He's a good defensive and positional player. He's got some creativity but he's not going to score many goals and isn't a crease crasher (part of that team's problem). He's helped strengthen their center depth, albeit not in faceoffs so much, but ideally he's more of a 3C and situational up the lineup guy. He's like their new Eakin. Flourish might be overstating it but certainly for a fifth round pick Vegas makes that trade all day. I'm not sure he'll ever break 40 points but his skating and positional instincts should keep him in the league for a while. There wasn't a great fit with the Caps after committing to Hagelin so no regrets IMO.
 

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That's really you're argument? He went from 4! points to 22. That's a major, major step in only 41 total regular season games. His career best was 18 going into the season. If you can't see that he's clearly having a much better time in Vegas I don't know what else to tell you.
Do you genuinely see him having turned a significant corner when you watch him? Because I don't, not really. I see a young guy who got real fired up after being traded, and his new team gave their new asset a lot of prime opportunities to look good. It won't be too terribly long in the grand scheme of things before he's just another roster player, and probably an area the team could/should improve to remain competitive.
 
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Regardless of how anyone wants to put it, Stephenson is still a prime example of how the coaching staff blew it. He went from being a borderline NHL player for Washington to a genuine NHL player in Vegas. His stats might be fairly average but his numbers in Washington weren’t great. So if you don’t want to call it flourishing fine, but the original point was that TR and his staff were over their heads and weren’t managing the players effectively. Bura and Stephenson are both prime examples of that which leads back to trading Vrana being foolish unless you’re getting an absolute upgrade. Let a new coaching staff use him effectively
 

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Regardless of how anyone wants to put it, Stephenson is still a prime example of how the coaching staff blew it. He went from being a borderline NHL player for Washington to a genuine NHL player in Vegas. His stats might be fairly average but his numbers in Washington weren’t great. So if you don’t want to call it flourishing fine, but the original point was that TR and his staff were over their heads and weren’t managing the players effectively. Bura and Stephenson are both prime examples of that which leads back to trading Vrana being foolish unless you’re getting an absolute upgrade. Let a new coaching staff use him effectively
Burakovsky I can see as him genuinely just needing a change of scenery. I have very little doubt that if Trotz had remained coach, Niskanen likely wouldn’t have been traded (or would have at least been more effective in 2018/2019), and Stephenson would have been valued more since he is solid defensively and trustworthy. Might not have put up the numbers he did in VGK but he would still be in Washington as a useful bottom 6 guy.
 

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Arguing over how much more a 26pt scorer is flourishing?

Color me not impressed by Chandler’s “breakout”.....get back to me after next season.


Chandler Stephenson Stats | Hockey-Reference.com

I love these “similarity scores“....his top comparison so far....

Yvon Corriveau....can’t make that up lol!

Yvon Corriveau...................a blast from the past. Sweet.

Stephenson is a serviceable bottom 6 NHL'er. Nothing more, nothing less. He was underutilized by the Caps, no doubt. But not a game changer.

Really not worth the debate in the long run.
 
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I don't get re-signing Dillon, and I don't get why people want to dump Kempny. Both of those are linked for me, because if you're re-signing Dillon, you almost have to move on from Kempny. So any savings from moving Kempny are swallowed up by the Dillon contract, since you need to pay him 3.75-4.25m a year for 3-4 years to complement Carlson. The problem with choosing Dillon over Kempny, regardless of the stylistic fit, is that how much of an upgrade is Dillon over a healthy Kempny? Fit-wise, Dillon might allow Carlson to take on harder competition, but I actually feel like Reirden got Carlson's deployment mostly correct - play him big minutes in an offensive role, reduce his defense/PK role. He certainly can perform both of those duties (play toughs/PK), but you'd rather he create offense, since our other defensemen can cover those duties but can't create offense.

I think the biggest dilemma GMBM has with the d-core is defining the roles of our two legit t4 D. What happens if you play Carlson/Orlov together, what happens if you separate them. Who plays harder competition, who gets offensive zone starts. Carlson and Orlov work as an offensive d-pair, but then we have no depth behind. So you separate them, but that means any defenseman who doesn't work with Carlson moves to the 3rd pair, unless they can move to their offhand. That might lead the Caps to try to sign TJ Brodie, since he's worked on the right side of a pairing with Giordano, and could presumably play on the left side with Carlson. If you sign Brodie, you do probably need to move on from Kempny though.

Dillon is a fine player, but he essentially has two possible roles - top pair complement, or 3rd pair PK guy. If he's the former, how much better is he than a 2.5m (healthy) Kempny? If he's the latter, how much better is he than a 1m Siegenthaler? Is the upgrade to paying him 4m for either of those roles worth it?

Dumping Kempny only saves you 1.7m at the most, and the Caps don't need need that space (unless they go big game hunting in FA). They have 9m in space, and need to sign Boyd/Siegenthaler to RFA deals, and could sign a 1b goalie and a t4 RHD. Unless they're targeting Pietrangelo, they don't need to shed money. I feel like you almost need to give Kempny another 50 games or so to see if he can again play with Carlson on the top pair. If it works, you've given yourself 2 years to let Fehervary/Alexeyev mature to replace him. If it doesn't work, you rent a replacement at the deadline, since Kempny's cheap salary lets you bank space.
 
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Vilica

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You're assuming Kempny is healthy. That's the million dollar question. He didn't look very good after the return.

Yep he may very well be crocked. I think the aspect that I'm trying to articulate is that if you're signing somebody to just complement Carlson, I'd rather give that opportunity to a presumably cheaper Kempny, who has proven he can complement Carlson well. However, if you're upgrading that t4 D position, and pushing Kempny down or out of the lineup, then I'm fine with moving on from him. For me, Dillon falls on the complement side more than the upgrade side.
 

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GMBM answers a Braden Holtby question at the end of the Lavi press conference. Says Holtby going to free agency and with the unusually deep goaltending market GMBM will stay in touch with Holtby's reps to see if he's getting the quality of offers he's looking for. Didn't sound very optimistic IMO and GMBM did specifically say the market was deeper than usual so he has to have some plan B options
 

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Khudobin's price could be higher than I expected.
That's going to be one fascinating contract. His career high is just 41 games. He's 34 and not the biggest. What kind of silly contract could a Conn Smythe get him?

MacLellan referenced the deep goaltending market in free agency but it's possible Khudobin, Markstrom & Lehner all re-sign and don't hit the market. After them it becomes a much thinner FA market with Holtby likely at the top. With the flat cap, though, I wonder if more options don't shake loose. Lundqvist has been mentioned as a potential buyout. I don't know how much he has left but maybe he could be a 30-40 game guy. It's really the trade market where a lot of the movement may lie, be it Bishop or Fleury as a result of retaining Khudobin/Lehner or Murray, Andersen, Kuemper or maybe Dubnyk. I don't know how much they want to spend but, worst-case, someone like Talbot for $2-3M should be doable. I don't know if a Smith/Howard/Elliott type for less would be worth it.
 

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That's going to be one fascinating contract. His career high is just 41 games. He's 34 and not the biggest. What kind of silly contract could a Conn Smythe get him?

MacLellan referenced the deep goaltending market in free agency but it's possible Khudobin, Markstrom & Lehner all re-sign and don't hit the market. After them it becomes a much thinner FA market with Holtby likely at the top. With the flat cap, though, I wonder if more options don't shake loose. Lundqvist has been mentioned as a potential buyout. I don't know how much he has left but maybe he could be a 30-40 game guy. It's really the trade market where a lot of the movement may lie, be it Bishop or Fleury as a result of retaining Khudobin/Lehner or Murray, Andersen, Kuemper or maybe Dubnyk. I don't know how much they want to spend but, worst-case, someone like Talbot for $2-3M should be doable. I don't know if a Smith/Howard/Elliott type for less would be worth it.

Lundvquist on the cheap would be a dream come true. Not a starter, but can give you 30ish games and to mentor our young goalies? Not sure what he would want in terms of contract or playing expectations though.
 

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Given the current economic situation of many teams and Kempny’s shaky play since injury, you all seem pretty confident Mac could move him without it costing us. If other GMs still see value in Kempny, the chances are Mac does too.

They are considerably weaker on the right side than the left. It’s a lot easier to plug guys like Siegenthaler and Fehervary in than someone on the right side if Carlson (or even Jensen) went down. Dillon doesn’t add much offensively and we don’t want shutdown Carlson, so I don’t see the fit personally.
 

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The problem with Dillon and Carlson as a pair is that they are both slow. Their skill sets complement each other, but again, both of them are really slow.
 
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Hear me out...how insane would it be to sign Ryan Miller (UFA, 1.12M in 2020) to a dirt cheap 1yr deal to back up Sammy? Is he toast, or can he hold up for one more year?
 

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Even with some of the likely goalie re-signings, there should be a lot of shuffling this year. I can see Markstrom, Crawford, Lehner all resigning with their squads. But you have Murray, Kuemper, Andersen, Raanta, Lundqvist, Georgiev, maybe one of Korpisalo / Merzelikins, Demko, maybe even Fleury (if Lehner resigns) and Rask as potential trade targets. Then you still have Holtby, Talbot, Khudobin, Greiss, Dell, Elliott all hitting FA.

There are only so many chairs available, I wonder if the Caps should just sit tight with Samsonov/Vanecek (assuming Samsonov doesn't have lasting injuries) and see what's left and who needs a spot. With the flat cap and limited starter positions, we could probably snag one via FA or in a trade for a good price.
 

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Hear me out...how insane would it be to sign Ryan Miller (UFA, 1.12M in 2020) to a dirt cheap 1yr deal to back up Sammy? Is he toast, or can he hold up for one more year?

Wait. Ryan Miller is still in the league? Wow
 

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Dillon is not a good hockey player and he's proven that in DC. Literally no desire whatsoever to spend a good chunk of a treasurous cap space on a guy of his caliber and age. I hope BMac is smart enough to let him go rob someone else.
 

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I'd be very interested to see the price tag on this guy. Has a real chance of becoming #1 in DC or at least giving Samsonov a run for his money. I don't see Vanecek doing that. Would be even more interested in Merzlikin but they won't pursue him. The demand for him is going to be through the roof.
 
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