Speculation: Caps General Discussion (Coaching/FAs/Cap/Lines etc) -- 2018-19 We Are The Champions Edition - Pt. 1

[CapitalsCupReality]

NHL needs to introduce a special "captain intangibles" cap exception -- e.g, you can choose 1 player, who is not top-6/top-4/whatever in minutes or scoring, and pay him an arbitrary sum of money without it counting against the cap. That way the Caps could pay Beagle 5M, no problemo.

Otherwise known as the Twabby exemption....named for the biggest believer in intangibles.

 

[Silky mitts]

Jay Beagle is a declining player

He is not a 4th liner. His ice time says that he is top 9. He just skates 5 on 5 with the 4th line. He plays 4 on 4 when other higher line players don't. I don't think more than $2m will be required, but we will see.

Yes, there is a salary cap and limitations as a result. Just be sure you are slotting a player in the right category. To call Beagle a 4th liner undervalues him quite a bit

IIRC when Backstrom was out they bumped Stephenson to the 3rd line over Beagle and that was a rational decision because he's more skilled. If Beagle is out there 4 on 4 and it's not a big lead I feel like I would have noticed and that doesn't ring a bell. Beagle was 12th in ES ice time among forwards in the regular season and playoffs, 19th and 22nd among all skaters, respectively. Caps PKing has declined the last 2 seasons. I have never gotten over the fact that his dog isn't a beagle. I hope Montreal or Vancouver make him rich though.

 

[Ridley Simon]

YOU WANT TO LET BEAGLE GO?

Them's fighting words!

I WANT BEAGLE TO STAY!

 

[Bieronymus Trotz]

ES TOI/game, regular season:

Kuznetsov -- 15:18
Backstrom -- 15:14
Eller -- 12:19
Beagle -- 9:54


Playoffs:

Kuznetsov -- 16:56
Backstrom -- 16:15
Eller -- 14:08
Beagle -- 10:15


Beagle is plainly a fourth-liner who is used as a fourth-liner.

 

[Ridley Simon]

Wilson had 33 ESP and 1 PPP (plus 1 SHP) this year; Oshie had 29 ESP and 18 PPP. Wilson of course played with better (more effective at the time) players this year, and Oshie may have been dealing with injuries. Oshie had 40 ESP in '16-'17. Wilson also had 15 ESP to Oshie's 10 in the playoffs (while playing with the top two Conn Smythe candidates).

I assume thats tongue in cheek and we need the added for effect? Dude's head was treated like a watermelon with 1000 rubber bands strapped around it.

Impacted him at least half the season, IMO.

 

[g00n]

Beagle should be paid as a 4C who is average during the season but better than average in the playoffs. Whatever that's worth to the team.

 

[Bieronymus Trotz]

I assume thats tongue in cheek and we need the added for effect? Dude's head was treated like a watermelon with 1000 rubber bands strapped around it.

Impacted him at least half the season, IMO.

We have no real idea one way or the other. Having seen other players appear to feel the effects of head injuries for a while after they've returned, it's reasonable to infer that might've happened with Oshie. The fact that a switch seemed to flip at the end of the year after he got a couple of goals suggests a lack of confidence was or at least had by that point become the main issue.

 

[hockeykicker]

 

[BiPolar Caps]

Rescue Beagle!

 

[hockeykicker]

one thing that is standing out is that lebrun, shannon etc are saying the caps are super close to the cap. i mean they have 12 mil left

 

[Langway]

I have them with $12.948205M in cap space with Wilson & Kempny remaining and then another 2F/2D needed to round out the roster. It is tight, particularly if they want to bring Orpik and/or Beagle back.

Give Wilson 5, Kempny 3 and that's $4.948M for four players. Add Bowey at 700k and Boyd at 650k as extras and that's $3.598M for two. Is that enough for 44/83? Do they really want to go with Copley as the back-up or spend more around $1M for a vet?

 

[strungout]

I think they can get Beagle (2) and Orpik (1.5).

Someone explained the Orpik thing the other day in that 1.5 would make him whole for the actual salary he was due this year.

It would be pretty crazy to get the entire roster back (only minus Grubi)

 

[Langway]

It's possible. They need to hammer out term with Beagle, though, and it's possible Kempny might have to come in higher. I do think the extra $350k or so for a more established back-up, even if it's someone like Hutchinson, would be worthwhile. Samsonov could be ready by the spring but before then I'd not want them to get into a situation where they maybe have to ride Holtby too much aside from b2b situations.

 

[alphabetical]

I really don't see why we should pay Wilson more than Eller, especially since he's an RFA. Also 1 good year (playing next to and elite LW and C may I add) isn't enough to justify a huge payday, if Wilson wants a Brooks Laich payday he can take a 1 year deal and prove himself again.

a brooks laich payday (7% of cap) would be 5.6 million for 6 years. i think we're all hoping he comes in below that. personally, i'm hoping he signs the same exact contract (4.5x6) to come in at 5.66% of the cap. brooks was also 4 years older than wilson when he got that payday, so he had no room for growth after the contract was signed...

 

[strungout]

It's possible. They need to hammer out term with Beagle, though, and it's possible Kempny might have to come in higher. I do think the extra $350k or so for a more established back-up, even if it's someone like Hutchinson, would be worthwhile. Samsonov could be ready by the spring but before then I'd not want them to get into a situation where they maybe have to ride Holtby too much aside from b2b situations.

I think they like Copley. We’ll see.

 

[Raikkonen]

Ovi-Kuzy-Wilson
Vrana-Backstrom-Oshie
Bura-Eller-Connolly
Stephenson-Beagle-DSP

I guess they have never played with this lineup in regular season.

5-6 of them needing a contract next summer.

 

[strungout]

Ovi-Kuzy-Wilson
Vrana-Backstrom-Oshie
Bura-Eller-Connolly
Stephenson-Beagle-DSP

I guess they have never played with this lineup in regular season.

5-6 of them needing a contract next summer.

Meh. I think you deal with that when you get there.

3 of those are Connolly, DSP and Beagle...they would just walk and if they happen to win it again...so be it.

Have to go for it again.

 

[895]

Next year all depends on Burakovsky. If he doesn't improve he's the obvious cap casualty for Vrana.

If he does then it gets interesting. I don't see keeping us keeping Vrana and Burt unless the cap jumps another 5m.

 

[artilector]

Next year all depends on Burakovsky. If he doesn't improve he's the obvious cap casualty for Vrana.

If he does then it gets interesting. I don't see keeping us keeping Vrana and Burt unless the cap jumps another 5m.

If Burakovsky breaks out, they could consider moving Oshie's contract.

 

[Portable Mink]

TJ is a f***ing warrior.

No thanks.

 

[Silky mitts]

Next year all depends on Burakovsky. If he doesn't improve he's the obvious cap casualty for Vrana.

If he does then it gets interesting. I don't see keeping us keeping Vrana and Burt unless the cap jumps another 5m.

Cap goes up 4% they’d have 25M space, I think Wilson, Bura, and Vrana could cost around 13M total in 2019-20, they’d have their top 8 forwards, top 3 D, goalie, 12M for bottom 10 roster spots.

 

[AtNightWeFly]

And Burakovsky has a snowballs chance in hell of breaking out.
He's been around for a while now. We know his routine by now...a hot streak filled with multiple highlight reel goals followed by months of quietness and/or injury.

 

[PB12]

If Burakovsky breaks out, they could consider moving Oshie's contract.

I don't get the Oshie hate. That ************ is the hardest worker on our team. He is a swiss army knife. Is a coaches dream.

 

[PB12]

And Burakovsky has a snowballs chance in hell of breaking out.
He's been around for a while now. We know his routine by now...a hot streak filled with multiple highlight reel goals followed by months of quietness and/or injury.

No thats not it. He goes on a hot streak, gets injured, cools all the way down, takes about 15-20 games to get hot again, then gets hurt again.

 

[BiPolar Caps]

I have them with $12.948205M in cap space with Wilson & Kempny remaining and then another 2F/2D needed to round out the roster. It is tight, particularly if they want to bring Orpik and/or Beagle back.

Give Wilson 5, Kempny 3 and that's $4.948M for four players. Add Bowey at 700k and Boyd at 650k as extras and that's $3.598M for two. Is that enough for 44/83? Do they really want to go with Copley as the back-up or spend more around $1M for a vet?

Cap Friendly with the DSP signing is now showing $12,215,705.00
- Wilson at 5
- Kempny at 3
- Bowey at 700 k
- Boyd at 650 k
Leaves 2,865,705.oo for Beagle and Orpik. Beagle for 2 and Orpik for 865k would do it.