Friedman: Capitals interested in Marc-Andre Fleury

[Mrfenn92]

Curious where the value is at on DeBrincat. I think he’s tough to evaluate because most trade deadline comps for his age/contract status have had more team favorable terms. His cap hit next year is $6.5 which is a good deal for his production, but again skews comps as it’s not your standard bridge deal.


I’m of the mind that we over value players in trade proposals here. Where we might say a mid to late first round pick and top 6 blue chip prospect is under valuing Cat, it does sort of live up to prior trade values.


Jack Eichel was essentially traded for a 50 point guy, a top prospect, and a conditional 1st and 2nd.


I can’t think of the last “windfall” trade package. That’s not really the reality in 2022. So I don’t think I’m way to far off. I think modern NHL GMs see contracts with the limited cap space as the biggest arbitrator of value. Most over pays aren’t chasing player talent it’s coaxing teams to take term/contracts. Caps would maybe need to add more to make that part work, but for straight value I think it’s close.

Don’t know but eichel and the conditional picks was due to health surgery wise. So not sure he applies to cat.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

If the Caps add Fleury, it's just for the one playoffs. They probably keep three goalies. Neither of the kids is making bank.

How do they keep all three unless they roster three goalies? Would they have to clear waivers to go on the taxi squad?

 

[Mrfenn92]

How do they keep all three unless they roster three goalies? Would they have to clear waivers to go on the taxi squad?

They would have to roster all 3 goalies. Not ideal but not impossible

 

[Ace Card Bedard]

Vanacek and a 2nd

Maybe some retention on Fleury if necessary.
After a slow start with his craptastic new team (not surprising) MAF has been amazing for the past two months.

 

[Taylorst]

You dont understand what I am saying. I am saying the Capitals wont spend a first round pick and one of their top prospects for that player. If that is the price, Chicago can trade him to a team that will pay that price or just not trade him.

The capitals obviously have a need in goal , MAF isn't some depth rental player . His numbers and accomplishments bring serious value , Washington isn't in any shape to eat his salary. Therefore any deal chicago will be compensated to what degree most likely a high draft pick 1st or 2nd or multiple draft picks plus a elite prospect. Teams that are serious contenders know their window of opportunity and this could be Washington last crack at a serious run also he won't be traded for nothing chicago could easily simply pass if the return isn't going to give chicago a future potential opportunity.

MAF is probably the only goalie right now that any team in serious need for a goalie would be in high demand.

 

[Taylorst]

Curious where the value is at on DeBrincat. I think he’s tough to evaluate because most trade deadline comps for his age/contract status have had more team favorable terms. His cap hit next year is $6.5 which is a good deal for his production, but again skews comps as it’s not your standard bridge deal.


I’m of the mind that we over value players in trade proposals here. Where we might say a mid to late first round pick and top 6 blue chip prospect is under valuing Cat, it does sort of live up to prior trade values.


Jack Eichel was essentially traded for a 50 point guy, a top prospect, and a conditional 1st and 2nd.


I can’t think of the last “windfall” trade package. That’s not really the reality in 2022. So I don’t think I’m way to far off. I think modern NHL GMs see contracts with the limited cap space as the biggest arbitrator of value. Most over pays aren’t chasing player talent it’s coaxing teams to take term/contracts. Caps would maybe need to add more to make that part work, but for straight value I think it’s close.

Cat brings back a 1st round pick maybe multiple 1st round picks or high elite prospects.

 

[txpd]

The capitals obviously have a need in goal , MAF isn't some depth rental player . His numbers and accomplishments bring serious value , Washington isn't in any shape to eat his salary. Therefore any deal chicago will be compensated to what degree most likely a high draft pick 1st or 2nd or multiple draft picks plus a elite prospect. Teams that are serious contenders know their window of opportunity and this could be Washington last crack at a serious run also he won't be traded for nothing chicago could easily simply pass if the return isn't going to give chicago a future potential opportunity.

MAF is probably the only goalie right now that any team in serious need for a goalie would be in high demand.

I think the Caps would be comfortable with Holtby. You are trying to make a case the Caps should spend more than they will. If it takes their first round pick, the Caps say no. If it takes McMichael or Lapierre or Protas, the Caps say no. Trade Fluery somewhere else

 

[Bevans]

Curious where the value is at on DeBrincat. I think he’s tough to evaluate because most trade deadline comps for his age/contract status have had more team favorable terms. His cap hit next year is $6.5 which is a good deal for his production, but again skews comps as it’s not your standard bridge deal.


I’m of the mind that we over value players in trade proposals here. Where we might say a mid to late first round pick and top 6 blue chip prospect is under valuing Cat, it does sort of live up to prior trade values.


Jack Eichel was essentially traded for a 50 point guy, a top prospect, and a conditional 1st and 2nd.


I can’t think of the last “windfall” trade package. That’s not really the reality in 2022. So I don’t think I’m way to far off. I think modern NHL GMs see contracts with the limited cap space as the biggest arbitrator of value. Most over pays aren’t chasing player talent it’s coaxing teams to take term/contracts. Caps would maybe need to add more to make that part work, but for straight value I think it’s close.

There's so many faulty assumptions in here.

Buffalo traded a guy with a broken neck for several guys they absolutely love that are succeeding in their new home; therefore, a much younger cheaper healthier 40 goal scorer won't return much.

His value is tough to determine because a guy like him almost never gets traded. Eichel is not a comp for every big trade.

 

[Taylorst]

I think the Caps would be comfortable with Holtby. You are trying to make a case the Caps should spend more than they will. If it takes their first round pick, the Caps say no. If it takes McMichael or Lapierre or Protas, the Caps say no. Trade Fluery somewhere else

That's your opinion. I'm merely pointing out what we all know Washington is interested in MAF , his experience and play makes him a worthy risk plus Washington is signaling there weakness is in goal. Chicago I'm sure is having discussions with many teams , to my understanding they want multiple draft picks and elite young prospects.

Washington isn't getting MAF for free nor is Chicago taking on a bad contract and not getting a great return.

Trade deadline deals usually not always but 80% of the time teams pay higher prices for the 1 chance to win a cup.

 

[JC0720]

Rather see holtby come back...if Dallas will sell. If not sure why not. Was difficult liking Oprik too but I fell in love with him.

Dallas will sell. Sure, a 4 game road win streak looks good, but the Central division is running off and leaving them. They can't go all in on a playoff run barely clinging to a wild card spot.

 

[txpd]

That's your opinion. I'm merely pointing out what we all know Washington is interested in MAF , his experience and play makes him a worthy risk plus Washington is signaling there weakness is in goal. Chicago I'm sure is having discussions with many teams , to my understanding they want multiple draft picks and elite young prospects.

Washington isn't getting MAF for free nor is Chicago taking on a bad contract and not getting a great return.

Trade deadline deals usually not always but 80% of the time teams pay higher prices for the 1 chance to win a cup.

Trade him somewhere else

 

[txpd]

Dallas will sell. Sure, a 4 game road win streak looks good, but the Central division is running off and leaving them. They can't go all in on a playoff run barely clinging to a wild card spot.

Holtby makes more sense particularly if Fluery is going to cost prime assets

 

[Taylorst]

Trade him somewhere else

Do you seriously think or believe that chicago would just give MAF away for free ?
If you think holtby who is washed up is the better option to help lead Washington to a stanley cup well good luck with that choice.

Nobody knows exactly what the return will be, however it won't be Washington dumping its trash on chicago and getting a top notch Stanley cup champ goalie and chicago receives nothing. The price of making a serious run to win a cup means you either build up your farm team with lots of future talent and draft a d develop so your not stuck trying to fill a major piece right before the playoffs. The trade deadline is for depth and or maybe a impact player on your 2nd thru 4 lines .

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Caps dont need the Hawks to eat salary. Good chance Mantha is out for the season and they have close salaries. So for the salary cap MAF makes alot of sense and fits right in.

Can we out bid other teams on his 10 team NMC? Do other teams have the cap space and need? Could MAF list 9 teams with A+ goalies and force his way to the caps? When did he make his 10 team list?

 

[Hockey4Lyfe]

Now, to make it spicier, how much to get DeBrincat as well?


Cap would have to move but would Vanecek, Schultz, 1st, 3rd

Work for MAF + DeBrincat?

Or would CHi want someone like Protas thrown in

I hope this is a joke. Washington would need to throw in so much more than that.

 

[txpd]

Do you seriously think or believe that chicago would just give MAF away for free ?
If you think holtby who is washed up is the better option to help lead Washington to a stanley cup well good luck with that choice .

Stop. I said no to a 1st and no to one of McMichael, Protas and Lapierre. Anything other than that is the same is free?

 

[banks]

I'm a completely neutral fan, and even I'd think it's gross to see Fleury in a Washington jersey.

 

[CallMeShaft]

Pens fans rejoice, Caps might not be in his ten team trade list.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Pens fans rejoice, Caps might not be in his ten team trade list.

Why would the rumor be leaked if we arent on his list?

 

[CallMeShaft]

Why would the rumor be leaked if we arent on his list?

The rumor was that Caps have interest in him. Friedman is now saying he's not sure Flower would actually want to go to Washington, likely because of his past as a Penguin. Neither point contradicts the other.

 

[Taylorst]

Stop. I said no to a 1st and no to one of McMichael, Protas and Lapierre. Anything other than that is the same is free?

Your not a serious person, anyone who has no clue as to how major league sports and trades work is nothing more than the peanut gallery. Besides your not the GM so get a grip on reality.

Trades are commenced between 2 teams who are both seeking a particular outcome and both teams understand in order to make such a deal there must be a give and take.

MAF isn't some low level player so they asking price and or the receiving team must be willing to make a realistic offer.

 

[PensPlz]

 

[txpd]

Your not a serious person, anyone who has no clue as to how major league sports and trades work is nothing more than the peanut gallery. Besides your not the GM so get a grip on reality.

Trades are commenced between 2 teams who are both seeking a particular outcome and both teams understand in order to make such a deal there must be a give and take.

MAF isn't some low level player so they asking price and or the receiving team must be willing to make a realistic offer.

Neither of us are GMs. Quit with that shit. No MAF isnt so low level player but you seem also not to be willing to accept that the Capitals have budget and other options. You seem to be saying the Caps MUST get Fluery and must pay the price you are demanding.

Just leave it. Washington has made it pretty clear that they are not interested in spending their first and their best prospects for short term improvement. Not sure why you cant accept this as a reasonable possibility. But you dont. Carry on.

 

[Skrudland2Lomakin]

I hope this is a joke. Washington would need to throw in so much more than that.

Whats your comp trade then? What player/haul do you feel is a fair comparison to this trade?

Because this is my issue with HFboards trade proposal analysis, they often just ferry in the realm of “not enough” or “way too much” and they never seem to

A). Offer alternatives

B). Justify those alternatives with actual trade comps that have established values league wide

 

[Crow]

Curious where the value is at on DeBrincat. I think he’s tough to evaluate because most trade deadline comps for his age/contract status have had more team favorable terms. His cap hit next year is $6.5 which is a good deal for his production, but again skews comps as it’s not your standard bridge deal.


I’m of the mind that we over value players in trade proposals here. Where we might say a mid to late first round pick and top 6 blue chip prospect is under valuing Cat, it does sort of live up to prior trade values.


Jack Eichel was essentially traded for a 50 point guy, a top prospect, and a conditional 1st and 2nd.


I can’t think of the last “windfall” trade package. That’s not really the reality in 2022. So I don’t think I’m way to far off. I think modern NHL GMs see contracts with the limited cap space as the biggest arbitrator of value. Most over pays aren’t chasing player talent it’s coaxing teams to take term/contracts. Caps would maybe need to add more to make that part work, but for straight value I think it’s close.

The sabres were motivated to make a move with jack. Cat is extremely likely in the hawks (terrible) long term plans.