GDT: Capitals @ Devils, 7:00 PM, Jaws

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NJDevs26

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I legit can’t believe this is still happening, classic dinosaur coach blaming kids for being a shitty coach. Hughes and Holtz were great together and haven’t played once so far
If he doesn't play Holtz tomorrow he shouldn't be fired, he should be institutionalized. Yeah you think when your team can't hit a building with a bazooka you MIGHT want to bring in a kid who's developing a sniper skill?
 

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What about the offense? You don't score your second goal until you're down 5-1?

Interesting. I didn't see the 2nd but saw our 2nd goal....in the 3rd when we down 5-1...at some point we have to look at how ineffective this offense has been.

People keep talking about the shots being lopsided and expected goals as these things are positive things and that we'll eventually break through...I think these numbers are actually showing us how bad we are at scoring goals with endless opportunities.
You know what? I agree with you on the goals now. I'm officially in panic mode on the offense and the need to finish.

And that's all the more reason why these goalies (at least Blackwood, we haven't seen enough Vanecek yet, first game was as bad as the bad Blackwood games though) are not good enough for us to win games 2-1 or 3-1 or 3-2.

I was ALWAYS a Blackwood atheist coming into this season, but I did think the goals would be a little more plentiful. Especially with this many shots.
 
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What about the offense? You don't score your second goal until you're down 5-1?

Interesting. I didn't see the 2nd but saw our 2nd goal....in the 3rd when we down 5-1...at some point we have to look at how ineffective this offense has been.

People keep talking about the shots being lopsided and expected goals as if these things are positive things and that we'll eventually break through...I think these numbers are actually showing us how bad we are at scoring goals with endless opportunities.

You’ll see what I mean when you watch that 2nd period back. 2nd goal was a bad turnover. 3rd is about as bad as you’ll see from our best forward.
 

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I do hate him BECAUSE HE IS A BAD GOALIE!

WHAT DON'T YOU GET?

A BAD GOALIE IS GOING TO HURT YOUR TEAM MORE THAN A BAD MICHAEL MCLEOD OR BAD MASON GEERTSEN OR A BAD LINDY RUFF/COACH OR A BAD WHOEVER ELSE YOU PEOPLE (and me sometimes) COMPLAIN ABOUT!

It's the most important position in the game and we have one of the worst goalies in the game.

So yes, that's worth HATING the player. He's a POOR PERFORMER at the most essential and important position in the god damn game, that's why he's HATED!

And if I ever hear accusations about the vaccination ever again, I have been vaccinated against covid-19 exactly ZERO TIMES!

So put that in your pipe and analyze it.
Wow. Seriously man. You need to take a chill pill and relax. Lol. Seriously. You hate the guy. Kind of a strong word.
All I said is that you continue to jump to conclusions and blame the goalie and not the defensive breakdowns.
You think he’s one of the worst in the game that’s fine. But analyze the actual goals and see why they are goals instead of just blaming the goalie. Reading your comments jumping right on the goalie while ignoring culpability on other players gives you zero credibility as a hockey fan.
 
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I tune into the Oilers-Pens game and oilers score 2 goals. Must be bad goalies right? Or maybe it's just players actually capitalizing, something devils players can't ever seem to do while the opposing team can. Why I don't ever blame Blackwood. This stuff happens all the time around the league.
 
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Scoring goals is part of the game though. You can have a 100 shots on goal but if you only score 1 you probably wont win. They need to start burying their chances when it matters, not in the third period down by 4. Who knows what happens if they get up by 2 or 3 in the first (they had at least 4 or 5 prime chances), maybe Blackwood doesnt implode. This is a game of momentum and capitalizing on your chances is crucial. Yes goaltending should be able to steal you a game here and there, but the way some people talk around here is as if he should be doing that every night.
They ended up scoring 3 goals on the night. You score 3 goals you should be walking away with at least 1 point and most nights 2 points.

Do they need to finish better? Yes, slightly. But they need saves at the end of the day.
 
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PKs Broken Stick

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They ended up scoring 3 goals on the night. You score 3 goals you should be walking away with at least 1 point and most nights 2 points.

Do they need to finish better? Yes, slightly. But they need saves at the end of the day.

How about not speaking in hindsight? They needed those 3 goals way earlier, not when the game was already over.
 

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jkrdevil

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I tune into the Oilers-Pens game and oilers score 2 goals. Must be bad goalies right? Or maybe it's just players actually capitalizing, something devils players can't ever seem to do while the opposing team can. Why I don't ever blame Blackwood. This stuff happens all the time around the league.
You don’t think you can blame a goaltender for having a save percentage right out of the 1980’s?
 
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VV played the shooter on the 2-on-1 kinda meh too. Way too deep in his net. I get he only got 4 shots against and came in cold but I would've liked to see him come out more and challenge the shooter. He could have bodychecked Protas how close Protas was allowed to walk in.
 

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Wow. Seriously man. You need to take a chill pill and relax. Lol. Seriously. You hate the guy. Kind of a strong word.
All I said is that you continue to jump to conclusions and blame the goalie and not the defensive breakdowns.
You think he’s one of the worst in the game that’s fine. But analyze the actual goals and see why they are goals instead of just blaming the goalie. Reading your comments jumping right on the goalie while ignoring culpability on other players gives you zero credibility as a hockey fan.
EVERY TEAM has defensive breakdowns. Every goalie has defensive breakdowns happen. If they didn't, teams would have like just a few shots a game and goalies would only have to face a few shots a game. You can literally blame EVERY shot on goal on a skater. Even a dump in.

But not every goalie has played as poorly as Mackenzie Blackwood has over the last 60 games he's played. Almost no goalie has in that time period with a minimum of I'm gonna say 30 games? The league has had a lot of scrubini goalies play games over the last two years with the taxi squad's and covid protocols, so we've seen quite a fair share of really bad goalies/AHL guys (Gillies, Daws and Hammond all qualify) get into games over the last 2 years, but there's not many with Blackwood's numbers that have gotten into 60 games or even 30.

Not every goal is bad. Most goalies get scored on every game. It happens. Of course not all 5 goals were bad, but there were at least 2, maybe 3 that were. And that's a pretty big deal and it will and it HAS cost us games, especially last year and it's happened in all of the losses already this year. I mean, we lost by like 3 goals tonight, so maybe not.

I've always said this, BAD GOALTENDING hurts you more in the close games, not the blowouts.
 

NJDevs26

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How about not speaking in hindsight? They needed those 3 goals way earlier, not when the game was already over.
This is what I mean about junktime goals...and yes I know at 5-3 they were 'sorta' back in the game (figures the offense dried up again at that point) but let's get real, those aren't exactly as high pressure shots as when you're actually in tight games. Just like how they picked up their scoring later in the season last year after they fell way out of the race.
 

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You don’t think you can blame a goaltender for having a save percentage right out of the 1980’s.

As I literally posted just above, in another game a team just scored 2 goals off bad defensive mistakes from the other team. Teams do this all the time, devils don't. That's the issue. Not mediocre goaltending. You guys are spoiled from MB30 I swear.
 

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VV played the shooter on the 2-on-1 kinda meh too. Way too deep in his net. I get he only got 4 shots against and came in cold but I would've liked to see him come out more and challenge the shooter. He could have bodychecked Protas how close Protas was allowed to walk in.
Could the goaltending coach be to blame? Not using them to their strengths?
 

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Without a doubt finishing is now our #1 issue. All the fancy stats show we SHOULD be scoring way more yet we are not. Maybe it’s just rust /bad luck , but it is concerning . Yes goaltendig has sucked , but if we score on some of the chances we get , then maybe we don’t need average goalies to play Amazig in order to win (because that’s not going to happen enough times with these goalies to sniff the playoffs).
Maybe our goalies play better when they would have a 2/3 goal lead instead of it beig tied or us giving up the first goal most of the time ,even though we outplayed the shit out of the other team.
 

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You know what? I agree with you on the goals now. I'm officially in panic mode on the offense and the need to finish.

And that's all the more reason why these goalies (at least Blackwood, we haven't seen enough Vanecek yet, first game was as bad as the bad Blackwood games though) are not good enough for us to win games 2-1 or 3-1 or 3-2.

I was ALWAYS a Blackwood atheist coming into this season, but I did think the goals would be a little more plentiful. Especially with this many shots.
Hey @JimEIV you know what?

When your team is good enough to give opponents to shot only 22 shots per game, they deserve to win 1-0, 2-1 or 3-2 their games. Scoring is THE problem, but again - they are doing what they should do to stay in the game. Like it or not - when they missed only 18-24 shots - they are good enough to asking their goalie to let only two goals.
 
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