OT: Capitals Cinema Club: TV and Movies

[AlexModvechkin8]

Untold: Johnny Football

wild wild life….

I thought it was good but it could have been great. They left so much on the table. It feels like they mashed would could have been a three or four episode documentary into a little over an hour.

Spoiler: Missed content

They didn’t interview any college or NFL teammates, they only interviewed one coach from A&M and it was Kingsbury who was only there for his first season so they had no one to speak to his second season, they didn’t interview anyone from the NCAA about the investigation, they didn’t talk about his time in the CFL or trying to make a return to pro football, no mention of what he’s been doing since he last played football (evidently he’s a player-coach right now with Fan Controlled Football which is an indoor football league), no mention that he was drafted in 2014 by the San Diego Padres and that a pro baseball career was possible, provided very little context to the widely spread lie that he came from oil money, etc. I’d give it a 6 because what they had was good but they had so much more material to work with and it feels like a missed opportunity.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Painkiller on Netflix, anyone? Have heard it’s a bad knockoff of Dopesick on Hulu (which was terrific) so I’m skeptical.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

I thought it was good but it could have been great. They left so much on the table. It feels like they mashed would could have been a three or four episode documentary into a little over an hour.

Spoiler: Missed content

They didn’t interview any college or NFL teammates, they only interviewed one coach from A&M and it was Kingsbury who was only there for his first season so they had no one to speak to his second season, they didn’t interview anyone from the NCAA about the investigation, they didn’t talk about his time in the CFL or trying to make a return to pro football, no mention of what he’s been doing since he last played football (evidently he’s a player-coach right now with Fan Controlled Football which is an indoor football league), no mention that he was drafted in 2014 by the San Diego Padres and that a pro baseball career was possible, provided very little context to the widely spread lie that he came from oil money, etc. I’d give it a 6 because what they had was good but they had so much more material to work with and it feels like a missed opportunity.

Makes me wonder who wasn’t willing to go on camera…..

I feel like A&M and Sumlin (and staff) are largely responsible for allowing that all to even start. His accountability requirement went from “do everything right, just like the man next to you”……..to “as long as you play well on Saturday“. Very sad….if he was my son it would crush me that the adults I entrusted my son to, allowed that. Even if he’s your run of the mill college athlete, you‘re trusting these institutions to chaperone them through their earliest years of adulthood.

What a crazy talent. Didn’t know he was so mentally ill. What should have been a very exciting time, getting drafted in the 1st, and he was immediately looking at ways to get out of there in his head. Very sad.

 

[PlushMinus]

Aww man .. its a good 90's fun jump scare scary movie. Kids in the walls, dad running around in his leather BDSM suit, mom in her "i just baked an apple pie, f*** me in the kitchen" 50s house dress.

The parent characters rock.

Its a caricature movie imo, everything is exaggerated.

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Yeah it's definitely over the top and deliberately so. Just wasn't in the mood for it, I guess

 

[HTFN]

Aww man .. its a good 90's fun jump scare scary movie. Kids in the walls, dad running around in his leather BDSM suit, mom in her "i just baked an apple pie, f*** me in the kitchen" 50s house dress.

The parent characters rock.

Its a caricature movie imo, everything is exaggerated.

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[notDkristich]

Untold: Johnny Football

wild wild life….

Confirmed as entertaining. Dude has some serious mental health issues.

 

[Neil Racki]

Old Boy is playing in select movie theaters right now and one is close to my house.

Amazingly .. its almost sold out. There is exactly one seat left in the non front row areas.

So tempted

 

[max21]

Thought the Johnny football doc was underwhelming, nothing I didn’t already know and never really had me feeling any type of way. It was just okay, and I was really excited for it. We all knew he never loved playing in the NFL and his drug problems, didn’t really have much substance to it. Maybe I just hyped myself up too much for it, what the hell am I even talking about.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Old Boy is playing in select movie theaters right now and one is close to my house.

Amazingly .. its almost sold out. There is exactly one seat left in the non front row areas.

So tempted

Such a great movie!

Thought the Johnny football doc was underwhelming, nothing I didn’t already know and never really had me feeling any type of way. It was just okay, and I was really excited for it. We all knew he never loved playing in the NFL and his drug problems, didn’t really have much substance to it. Maybe I just hyped myself up too much for it, what the hell am I even talking about.

Wow really?

I knew almost nothing of his inner circle, his parents, that he never once opened a playbook or watched video, or that he was immediately miserable and looking for an out when drafted by Cleveland.

I also don’t recall ever hearing that he was “from oil money”, or any of that made up angle.

 

[max21]

Wow really?

I knew almost nothing of his inner circle, his parents, that he never once opened a playbook or watched video, or that he was immediately miserable and looking for an out when drafted by Cleveland.

I also don’t recall ever hearing that he was “from oil money”, or any of that made up angle.

I was a huge fan of his, so I read up on him a a lot more than casual fans. I think @AlexBrovechkin8 may be wrong with the oil money story because I thought it was mentioned in the documentary, maybe they didn’t elaborate much on it

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I was a huge fan of his, so I read up on him a a lot more than casual fans. I think @AlexBrovechkin8 may be wrong with the oil money story because I thought it was mentioned in the documentary, maybe they didn’t elaborate much on it

They mentioned it but I think it merited more than the 45 seconds of air time they gave it. His family lied to the NCAA and no one fact checked it? No one did any diligence into his family history? It’s not like they were talking about long lost relatives from the 18th century… it was his grandfather.

Like a lot of things in the documentary it could have been better. It’s Johnny Football… a story that may never be repeated again — it certainly merited more than 75 minutes.

 

[HTFN]

They mentioned it but I think it merited more than the 45 seconds of air time they gave it. His family lied to the NCAA and no one fact checked it? No one did any diligence into his family history? It’s not like they were talking about long lost relatives from the 18th century… it was his grandfather.

Like a lot of things in the documentary it could have been better. It’s Johnny Football… a story that may never be repeated again — it certainly merited more than 75 minutes.

I didn't love the tone of it. Felt like there were so many sly smiles to the camera and "hah we got away with it" moments but a profound lack of appreciation of what he threw away to be a proud shithead and honestly not a lot of outside retribution through testimony. Retribution might not be the right word... rebuke?

It's like the worst lesson learned was that his friend got hurt, and it only really mattered to the friend anyway because Johnny was prepared to dump his ass the second he took off and said as much. I guess I was looking for a less shameless version of the story but it really did more to glorify his renegade sort of lifestyle than ever put it under the microscope.

Like... congrats. You made a bunch of money being an asshole. Probably would have made more if you just did your job. Shit, in the part where they talk about him just straight up missing his flight and deciding to stay in Vegas the night before a game? Yeah, they paint it as an objectively bad decision but that's also just... way worse than the kind of treatment the documentary gave it.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

He was full on sabotaging himself by the time he decided to stay in Vegas.

I didn’t see much being an asshole until close to the draft and after, but he was clearly mentally ill.

Dumping his buddy was a dick move. Probably the last guy who checked his ego occasionally and he was cut out….

 

[ChaosLord]

I saw "Elemental" over the weekend. Gorgeous, lush visuals wasted on a thin story, no attempt at world budiling, and a completely unconvincing romance. I mean, Amber I could see as a fairly attractive character, but Wade? He was wimpier than 10 Steve Urkels. Another low point for Pixar, unfortunately, in a series of recent low points (Elemental, Lightyear, Soul, Onward).

 

[Jags]

They mentioned it but I think it merited more than the 45 seconds of air time they gave it. His family lied to the NCAA and no one fact checked it?

It's the NCAA, and the "Johnny Football" machine was printing money for them pre-NIL. They weren't really incentivized to get all Sherlock Holmes about it, I guess.

Given what was left out, the producers of the show clearly wanted to do a Manziel doc and he would only agree if there were certain boundaries. The overall, obvious takeaway from his story is "What an enormous dipshit," but the doc never goes there. Doesn't even lean hard in that direction.

I doubt there would have been any shortage of people willing to go on camera and talk about what a shithead he was, but he wouldn't have participated if that was the plan. Instead we got an intro of him being heralded by the only institution left that sees him in a positive way, a lot of coverage of how talented he was, a lot of dude-bro talk about how cool it was that he brazenly broke all the rules, footage of him today drinking and smoking with his pals like they're still in high school, and commentary from him showing that he clearly has no remorse and doesn't give a shit.

I'll give the Untold crew some credit though. They presented it exactly that way so that any reasonable person sees right through it. So the dopey boob thinks he pulled one over and got a cool doc on Netflix, but the entire thinking world saw a movie about a douchebag.

 

[usiel]

Watched a pretty cool indi scifi film on Hulu called Vesper which was pretty cool.

 

[usiel]

Wow Loki, The Mandolorian, and WandaVision getting physical 4K UHD releases.

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

Just bought a year of Paramount plus for 30 bucks pretty good deal. The coupon code is sports.

 

[ChaosLord]

Ahsoka reviews are all over the place. Gamespot gave it a seriously harsh 2 out of 10 and ranked it as "terrible". Uh oh.

First 2 episodes only though. Still hope for the whole season.

 

[JayBeagleFanAccount]

saw Oppenheimer and left the theater feeling annoyed. Nolan is such a frustrating director. He's a good set piece director but man he just cannot create any sort of interesting character (especially female characters). Honestly the whole film just felt sloppy and way too long with an extremely distracting and manipulative score.

 

[ChaosLord]

saw Oppenheimer and left the theater feeling annoyed. Nolan is such a frustrating director. He's a good set piece director but man he just cannot create any sort of interesting character (especially female characters). Honestly the whole film just felt sloppy and way too long with an extremely distracting and manipulative score.

Agreed. Not a fan of Nolan movies generally (except for Dunkirk, but I mainly liked that because of the Spitfires).

 

[max21]

@Hivemind you’re right Heredity was pretty good. I didn’t watch any trailers so I had no idea what it was about. I liked how it was pretty unpredictable since horror movies usually sorta set the tone early, it was genuinely scarier than usually jump scare moves. Def the best horror flick I’ve seen in a while.

Spoiler

Did Paimon initially want to go after the girl? Since she died he had attach to the boy instead? Or was the plan to always to get to the son

 

[HTFN]

@Hivemind you’re right Heredity was pretty good. I didn’t watch any trailers so I had no idea what it was about. I liked how it was pretty unpredictable since horror movies usually sorta set the tone early, it was genuinely scarier than usually jump scare moves. Def the best horror flick I’ve seen in a while.

Spoiler

Did Paimon initially want to go after the girl? Since she died he had attach to the boy instead? Or was the plan to always to get to the son

Spoiler: Spoiler

Paimon wants a male form, yeah. There are a few ways they reference it, can’t remember the movie verbatim anymore but I’m pretty sure grandma missed her chance with Peter because they were non contact since she was super weird (duh). Charlie got time with grandma, and no coincidence, she’s got a “masculine” presenting name. Grandma wanted Charlie to be a boy, I think it’s even stated in the film but it’s so early you don’t blink.

One theory is that Paimon being inside an improper host is one of the reasons Charlie has health issues and is a little off. Knowing that, a little more spelled out in the film is the idea that the entire cult orchestrated her death, including planting the roadkill (I think that’s just a scene, but can’t recall) to free Paimon up for Peter

But yeah, if you watch horror you get so used to the “language” and setups that when Charlie just… dies and the next 20 minutes is dark, heavy trauma… holy shit, I didn’t know what to do with myself. I think I started standing up behind my chair and pacing the living room. I saw the trailer once in theaters and went “oh wow, they got a great creepy kid, this is going to probably be a pretty good B level possession type movie” but then she’s just gone and it takes you on a hell of a ride after, it’s like you can’t catch up once it pulls the rug out

 

[max21]

Spoiler: Spoiler

Paimon wants a male form, yeah. There are a few ways they reference it, can’t remember the movie verbatim anymore but I’m pretty sure grandma missed her chance with Peter because they were non contact since she was super weird (duh). Charlie got time with grandma, and no coincidence, she’s got a “masculine” presenting name. Grandma wanted Charlie to be a boy, I think it’s even stated in the film but it’s so early you don’t blink.

One theory is that Paimon being inside an improper host is one of the reasons Charlie has health issues and is a little off. Knowing that, a little more spelled out in the film is the idea that the entire cult orchestrated her death, including planting the roadkill (I think that’s just a scene, but can’t recall) to free Paimon up for Peter

But yeah, if you watch horror you get so used to the “language” and setups that when Charlie just… dies and the next 20 minutes is dark, heavy trauma… holy shit, I didn’t know what to do with myself. I think I started standing up behind my chair and pacing the living room. I saw the trailer once in theaters and went “oh wow, they got a great creepy kid, this is going to probably be a pretty good B level possession type movie” but then she’s just gone and it takes you on a hell of a ride after, it’s like you can’t catch up once it pulls the rug out

Spoiler

Yeah that makes sense, and I agree foreal. I thought for sure the whole movie would have been about Charlie, but when she dies I was like damn lol. Really took you for a spin, the mom possessed hanging in the corner of the ceiling scared the F out of me, I think I actually kinda screamed a little. Just because I didn’t think that type of scare would be in this movie so it was just sort of unsettling and surprising. My girlfriend is really pissed we watched it, she already texted me this morning asking why I made her watch that LOL.

 

[Neil Racki]

I saw "Elemental" over the weekend. Gorgeous, lush visuals wasted on a thin story, no attempt at world budiling, and a completely unconvincing romance. I mean, Amber I could see as a fairly attractive character, but Wade? He was wimpier than 10 Steve Urkels. Another low point for Pixar, unfortunately, in a series of recent low points (Elemental, Lightyear, Soul, Onward).

Yeah I dont know whats going on w Pixar. They were so consistent in putting out top tier family movies that anyone could dig ... missed last 3 movies or so.

Might not even get around to watching Elemental.