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Should we use our cap space to sign/overpay players on short term contracts (3-4 yrs)

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Its at least a year too early to spend any money. See what you have in the kids, then supplement them, not this current roster.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
A lot of that is assuming a lot of the prospects are all going to be good at the same time. Going all in on one guy, who is already 30, is that the way to go? Would it make more sense to bring in three $5m players? How about two $7m guys?

If the Kings as a team aren't ready in the next season, now Pietrangelo is fully 31, quickly heading to 32. What are you buying in that scenario? Give me a Mike Richards at 26, where if it doesn't happen right away, at least in theory, you have a few extra years before a guy breaks down. Not that Pietrangelo must be an old 30, 31, or even 32, he may be the best defenseman in the league 2 years from now.

This is why GMs make the big bucks.
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We have a pretty mature prospect pool that is unanimously agreed upon to be the best in the league. It's more of a salary cap related argument I am making. It's really pretty easy to outproduce a 950k contract and we will have many of those. They don't have to be stars at the same time for it to work they just have to outproduce their contracts at the same time.

It's an opportunity cost imo. The writing is on the wall, we are about to have a bunch of young players for years, some of whom will vastly outproduce their contracts.

To go along with that we will have Kopitar and Doughty for a few more years that will still be very good players and are as battle tested as you can get. Stanley cup teams don't need 10 stars they need some very good players and a lot of depth. It doesn't seem to hard to make a team like that out of what we already have in our system. So imo if you can use the cap space in a way that doesn't negatively impact signing our youth in the future than you do it.

We can get progressively better for the next 3-4 years keep our cap space. Waste the last few good years of Kopi and Doughty. And then what?

Most of our current prospect pool will have to get paid. We will then have to find a bunch of new cheap young players just to get back to a similar spot we are in Right now financially. That might not happen.
 
bland said:
Its at least a year too early to spend any money. See what you have in the kids, then supplement them, not this current roster.
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That's reasonable too. But we shouldn't be waiting much longer than that. We are close
 
deeshamrock said:
Blake told the Insider that they want to sign a left handed D in free agency and that is a pressing need. They've drafted some top end forwards the last few years, and they shoud be trickling up to get their minutes in.
I go for Krug, who at 29, is a good age, and wants a 6 yr, deal at 8M per . Bruins have some other contracts to get to and 700K in CAP space. As much as he'd like to stay, they might not be able to afford him.
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A pressing need? The Kings have Bjornfot,Anderson,Clague,Hults,Moverare and MacDermid fighting for 3-4 spots! If I was the GM I could care less about free agency and what it might bring. We have enough talent on the L-Defense and with this coming draft the Kings will add more to the stable of potentially promising NHLers!
 
And if Blake goes out and signs a veteran he is signaling that someone of the (Doughty is a lock),Roy and Walker would be available for Seattle in the Expansion draft in 2021-22,unless the Kings protect 4 forwards(Kopitar,Kempe,Iafallo and either Frk or Grundstrom) and 4 D-men(Doughty,Walker,Roy and UFA 2020)! Many things to consider!
 
The Kings should be looking to sign a left-handed defenseman like Joel Edmundson. Maybe even Trevor Lewis for one more year for press box duties. Other than that, let the kids develop.
 
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andys said:
A pressing need? The Kings have Bjornfot,Anderson,Clague,Hults,Moverare and MacDermid fighting for 3-4 spots! If I was the GM I could care less about free agency and what it might bring. We have enough talent on the L-Defense and with this coming draft the Kings will add more to the stable of potentially promising NHLers!
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So says he:
Kings GM makes it clear that addressing defense will be a priority


For starters, Blake strongly suggested the Kings will be targeting some help for the left side of their defense when transactions can resume:
"I think that would be one area of need that we would look at, whether it’s the free-agent market or the acquisition market, and most likely on the left side," Blake said.​
 
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The only free agent I am interested in is Edmundson. Fits every need. Won’t cost a massive amount and is still young.

We have vets like Carter who will be moved into the bottom 6 so we don’t need to go outside to gather other vets as we have more bodies then spots.

our goaltending appears set.

The one thing I do wonder about is this may be the year to get Doughty the partner he needs and the power-play specialist we need in Krug. I hate signing guys to long term contracts. He is rumored to be asking 6/49 or 8 mil a year. That contract would lock him up to his 34/35 year old season.

My question is do we gamble on Krug, the smaller one dimensional defenseman on maintaining his offense of output over the next six years or do we give it a year or two to see what our pups can do.


I think we will know more of Blakes plans after the draft. For some reason I can’t shake the feeling that he still may be very highly coveting Drysdale. If this is the case and he does draft Drysdale the last thing we do need is another small statured offense of defenseman in Krug.

As mentioned above my big free agent acquisition this off-season would be in Edmundson.
 
kilowatt said:
The Kings should be looking to sign a left-handed defenseman like Joel Edmundson. Maybe even Trevor Lewis for one more year for press box duties. Other than that, let the kids develop.
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No Lewis it hurt me watching him all this time! Lets get a youngster to do his job for a fraction of the price! Amadio can do what 22 did plus give the Kings more offense provided he has more than muckers on his line! Edmundson from Carolina?And while they're at it what about acquiring RWinger,Nino Niederreiter as a linemate for KopiStar.Feel that a change in scenery would resurrect Nino's career and make Nino into a 30-40 goal scorer.Maybe the Kings could send Carter there,not that I didn't enjoy him! The Hurricanes would kick in a second rounder(44th overall) in 2020 for taking on salary?
 
andys said:
No Lewis it hurt me watching him all this time! Lets get a youngster to do his job for a fraction of the price! Amadio can do what 22 did plus give the Kings more offense provided he has more than muckers on his line! Edmundson from Carolina?And while they're at it what about acquiring RWinger,Nino Niederreiter as a linemate for KopiStar.Feel that a change in scenery would resurrect Nino's career and make Nino into a 30-40 goal scorer.Maybe the Kings could send Carter there,not that I didn't enjoy him! The Hurricanes would kick in a second rounder(44th overall) in 2020 for taking on salary?
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I actually disagree - I think Lewis was more effective than Amadio. And I think Lewis might be worth a lot more in the locker room, especially with a bunch of young professionals coming up to the team. Having Lewis in the press box, ready to sub in if necessary, seems like a decent idea. Better than having a Grundstrom or a JAD in the press box.
 
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Rusty Batch said:
We have a pretty mature prospect pool that is unanimously agreed upon to be the best in the league. It's more of a salary cap related argument I am making. It's really pretty easy to outproduce a 950k contract and we will have many of those. They don't have to be stars at the same time for it to work they just have to outproduce their contracts at the same time.

It's an opportunity cost imo. The writing is on the wall, we are about to have a bunch of young players for years, some of whom will vastly outproduce their contracts.

To go along with that we will have Kopitar and Doughty for a few more years that will still be very good players and are as battle tested as you can get. Stanley cup teams don't need 10 stars they need some very good players and a lot of depth. It doesn't seem to hard to make a team like that out of what we already have in our system. So imo if you can use the cap space in a way that doesn't negatively impact signing our youth in the future than you do it.

We can get progressively better for the next 3-4 years keep our cap space. Waste the last few good years of Kopi and Doughty. And then what?

Most of our current prospect pool will have to get paid. We will then have to find a bunch of new cheap young players just to get back to a similar spot we are in Right now financially. That might not happen.
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Maybe a mature prospect pool in terms of age, but not games played. We don't know what they have with most of them. We don't know if they're good depth yet. We don't know who will or won't be a star.

I'm not opposed to them trying to get this thing in gear sooner rather than later. Just, does it all have to go to 1 guy, who is already 30? Can it be two $7m guys, to increase the depth? Three $5m guys? Have we got 4 guys from the 2019 draft already making the team next year? That would seem like a high number.
 
kilowatt said:
I actually disagree - I think Lewis was more effective than Amadio. And I think Lewis might be worth a lot more in the locker room, especially with a bunch of young professionals coming up to the team. Having Lewis in the press box, ready to sub in if necessary, seems like a decent idea. Better than having a Grundstrom or a JAD in the press box.
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I'm willing to split the difference and agree that neither Lewis, nor Amadio were effective last year.
 
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HeadInjury said:
I'm willing to split the difference and agree that neither Lewis, nor Amadio were effective last year.
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Sure I’ll agree with that. I want to be clear that I’d only be okay with re-signing Lewis as a 13th forward/injury subsitution.
 
I’m ok with keeping the cap space and going with the youth but remember we have to hit the cap floor. Even if we use cap space to trade for someone & a pick for little real dollars and then buyout it likely still isn’t enough. We will need to sign at least one guy to a short, high dollar contract.
 
If you can sign a good player short term, sure. As long as it doesnt handcuff LA from taking advantage of teams that need to shed cap.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Sure, but we're talking about a 13th forward here. Would rather it be a vet who everyone loves than a kid stuck on the bench.
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But he’s not signing anywhere to be the 13th forward, he’s still got a couple of years s left in him yet imo. I agree though that the 13th forward shouldn’t be one of the kids. I’d let Wagner or Amadio do that job though, if they wouldn’t be an issue in the room (I have no idea either way on that). I don’t see them here long term, just filling spots until the kids are ready.
 
Kingspiracy said:
If you can sign a good player short term, sure. As long as it doesnt handcuff LA from taking advantage of teams that need to shed cap.
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Shouldn't be an issue. We have 20 million in cap space with 16 players signed per capfriendly (including the monies owed to Kovy, Phaneuf and Richards). At least 5 of those slots should be filled by guys paid less than $1 million.
 
Statto said:
But he’s not signing anywhere to be the 13th forward, he’s still got a couple of years s left in him yet imo. I agree though that the 13th forward shouldn’t be one of the kids. I’d let Wagner or Amadio do that job though, if they wouldn’t be an issue in the room (I have no idea either way on that). I don’t see them here long term, just filling spots until the kids are ready.
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Agreed, we should be rooting for him all day long to re-sign with Toronto so our pick upgrades to a 2nd rounder next year.
 
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With the cap space, we can be very picky with taking on a bad contract. I would only take a player with 1 or 2 years left on their contract in exchange for a first round NOT LOTTERY PROTECTED pick. If these teams don’t want to pay the price, then let them try to figure how to resign their players without any cap space.
With a stagnant cap, the offseason will be a bloodbath and will offer some great opportunities for teams with cap space.
 
With the stagnating cap situation over the next few years, I think you could see some players take shorter term contracts, and look for big paydays in 2-3 years.
And with the possibility of owners losing a big chunk of gate revenue next season, I think there's a real possibility many owners might not give the go ahead to their GMs to hand out giant contracts.
 
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