Confirmed with Link: Canucks trade Dickinson & 2nd (2024) to Chicago for Riley Stillman

[LordBacon]

I’m gonna miss the dick jokes.
Not the player though.
Was never a good pick up, hope he finds his stride elsewhere.

 

[andora]

It’s never overrated to have good habits. The best bargain contracts are universally homegrown ones. It’s never a bad habit to you know, have your second highest pick every year even if a lot bust out. It’s a huge swing to your fortunes when one hits. Giving up super high picks for crap like Stillman just to attempt to get swept in the first round never moves the needle.

Umm ok.. yes more picks better

I think is also helpsbin potentially keeping kuzmenko than anything for this year

 

[Bettman Returnz]

I feel like I would’ve rather it be poolman being moved out. The term! Could’ve just sent Dickinson down to Abby. But at least they are trying to do something I guess. We have 2 years to recoup that pick too.

 

[andora]

I feel like I would’ve rather it be poolman being moved out. The term! Could’ve just sent Dickinson down to Abby. But at least they are trying to do something I guess. We have 2 years to recoup that pick too.

I think that timeline of the pick is escaping a lot of reaction and is an important factor. If that 2024 draft rolls around and we havent regained that asset.. then yes be a little pissed but until then.. its a digital asset

 

[Hodgy]

I feel like I would’ve rather it be poolman being moved out. The term! Could’ve just sent Dickinson down to Abby. But at least they are trying to do something I guess. We have 2 years to recoup that pick too.

I have seen this a lot but don’t really get it. Like, ya, of course we’d all rather dump Poolman. But we also would have needed to give up way more. And given Poolman’s injury, it makes sense to at least give him sometime to recover to see where his play levels off rather than trading him at what will likely be his lowest value.

I think that timeline of the pick is escaping a lot of reaction and is an important factor. If that 2024 draft rolls around and we havent regained that asset.. then yes be a little pissed but until then.. its a digital asset

I really don’t think that’s the intention. This management team is trying to compete with this core whole simultaneously trying to clean up Benning’s mess. Accumulating picks is simply not going to be a priority.

 

[andora]

I really don’t think that’s the intention. This management team is trying to compete with this core whole simultaneously trying to clean up Benning’s mess. Accumulating picks is simply not going to be a priority.

i don't think i was referencing an intention - but i do tend to agree with you. however i think it's still in the background - still being tracked - down one pick, opportunity comes up between now and then to get it back you look at it

 

[m9]

i don't think i was referencing an intention - but i do tend to agree with you. however i think it's still in the background - still being tracked - down one pick, opportunity comes up between now and then to get it back you look at it

Teams don't really think like that though. If this team sucks this year they will attempt to blow it up and there will assuredly be an excess of picks. If they play well, they will likely give up more picks to improve the roster.

They also don't have a non-roster prospect worth a 2nd round pick so if that's the cost for something they are going to be giving up picks and not a prospect. Lekk higher, the rest lower.

 

[ChilliBilly]

Teams don't really think like that though. If this team sucks this year they will attempt to blow it up and there will assuredly be an excess of picks. If they play well, they will likely give up more picks to improve the roster.

They also don't have a non-roster prospect worth a 2nd round pick so if that's the cost for something they are going to be giving up picks and not a prospect. Lekk higher, the rest lower.

There is an excellent article on Canucks Army that basically explains where we are Cap wise. Apparently this trade was essential to be compliant.

LTIR Explained: Here’s exactly how the Canucks will have to set their opening day roster to stay compliant (and why)

This is already going to be a long one, so let’s skip the preamble....

canucksarmy.com

 

[mathonwy]

I have seen this a lot but don’t really get it. Like, ya, of course we’d all rather dump Poolman. But we also would have needed to give up way more. And given Poolman’s injury, it makes sense to at least give him sometime to recover to see where his play levels off rather than trading him at what will likely be his lowest value.

I really don’t think that’s the intention. This management team is trying to compete with this core whole simultaneously trying to clean up Benning’s mess. Accumulating picks is simply not going to be a priority.

All the time in the world won't help poo be a better dman.

Thanks Jimbo.

 

[m9]

There is an excellent article on Canucks Army that basically explains where we are Cap wise. Apparently this trade was essential to be compliant.

LTIR Explained: Here’s exactly how the Canucks will have to set their opening day roster to stay compliant (and why)

This is already going to be a long one, so let’s skip the preamble....

canucksarmy.com

It wasn't essential for them to be compliant. Maybe essential for how they want to construct the roster and how they handle Ferland/LTIR, sure.

I find it a bit concerning that this new management group painted themselves in a cap corner at this stage of the process. It's not like we are seeing a dozen teams this weekend give up a premium draft pick to get cap compliant. Caught with their pants down here, at least in my opinion. I'm pretty neutral on this management group so far but stuff like this gets on my radar a bit.

 

[andora]

Teams don't really think like that though. If this team sucks this year they will attempt to blow it up and there will assuredly be an excess of picks. If they play well, they will likely give up more picks to improve the roster.

They also don't have a non-roster prospect worth a 2nd round pick so if that's the cost for something they are going to be giving up picks and not a prospect. Lekk higher, the rest lower.

i don't understand why teams wouldn't think like this? i don't think an outline as black / white in an nhl front office is as likely either.

 

[4Twenty]

It wasn't essential for them to be compliant. Maybe essential for how they want to construct the roster and how they handle Ferland/LTIR, sure.

I find it a bit concerning that this new management group painted themselves in a cap corner at this stage of the process. It's not like we are seeing a dozen teams this weekend give up a premium draft pick to get cap compliant. Caught with their pants down here, at least in my opinion. I'm pretty neutral on this management group so far but stuff like this gets on my radar a bit.

Can’t judge until we see Stillman get to 300 games.

 

[andora]

Can’t judge until we see Stillman get to 300 games.

valuable

 

[credulous]

whether or not the canucks 'recoup' the 2nd isn't really relevant. there's no rule that you can't have multiple picks in the same year/round

 

[Bobby Digital]

This team is just bleeding picks.

 

[Hit the post]

whether or not the canucks 'recoup' the 2nd isn't really relevant. there's no rule that you can't have multiple picks in the same year/round

I believe Jimbo had that rule (ie., Canucks having multiple picks in the same draft is verboten). Drafting gurus don't need additional picks.

 

[credulous]

I believe Jimbo had that rule (ie., Canucks having multiple picks in the same draft is verboten). Drafting gurus don't need additional picks.

having too many picks makes you sloppy and lazy. when you only have a couple you're motivated to really nail them

 

[MarkMM]

Teams don't really think like that though. If this team sucks this year they will attempt to blow it up and there will assuredly be an excess of picks. If they play well, they will likely give up more picks to improve the roster.

They also don't have a non-roster prospect worth a 2nd round pick so if that's the cost for something they are going to be giving up picks and not a prospect. Lekk higher, the rest lower.

The best bet to recoup would be if some of our younger players really establish themselves (Podkolzin, Hoglander, etc) and thus making some of our older vets that won't be here in the future (Pearson, Garland) surplus (we're already overloaded on the wings as it is). Then it just comes down to some team going through injury issues and needing to plug holes and maybe those stars align and we can collect some futures, free up cap space and open up roster space, but it's dependent on a few things going right first.

 

[sting101]

I see a lot of negativity towards this move and on paper its an overpayment and a bit of desperation but this management group has been trying since January to clear salary and nothing has made sense that wouldn't have a rather large negative effect on the ability to make traction towards being a playoff team.

Stillman gives the LD a depth guarantee that costs the same whether Rathbone makes it or not long term. They have cost certainty in that regard so it does help as well as some added depth especially right now with a couple injuries to start the year at the 3 and 5 spots

Kuzmenko if he works out (and it looks like he will) should force out Garland or Boeser to shift that salary to a defenseman. It should also be an opportunity to recoup more than what they had to pay for jettisoning Dickinson if they remain patient or they can load up and deal with the possibility that they cannot re sign a deadline acquisition and get as much value as they can from Horvat Miller Demko Pettersson Hughes Podkolzin Kuzmenko and maybe Hoglander and go for it.

Either way being pro active on Dickinson was necessary and i posted that a few days ago that they cannot let this drag through the season when the possibility of getting rid of the necessary salary might diminish.

 

[RutherPlan]

Canucks aren't trading Boeser or Garland, even with Kuzmenko signed long term. The NHL is about to to go through a significant cap rise and right now is the time to collect these value type of players to compete.

The only players that will be traded from the roster is Pearson, Myers, and/or Poolman.

Canucks defence has good depth but it's core is limited to Hughes, OEL, and likely Rathbone. The Canucks need to remove Pearson/Myers/Poolman and add 1 more high calibre top 4 defenceman.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Canucks aren't trading Boeser or Garland, even with Kuzmenko signed long term. The NHL is about to to go through a significant cap rise and right now is the time to collect these value type of players to compete.

The only players that will be traded from the roster is Pearson, Myers, and/or Poolman.

Canucks defence has good depth but it's core is limited to Hughes, OEL, and likely Rathbone. The Canucks need to remove Pearson/Myers/Poolman and add 1 more high calibre top 4 defenceman.

If Kuzmenko breaks out in a big way, and he indicates that he would like to re-sign..I think it would be tough to retain all of Boeser,Horvat,Garland (even with the cap going up substantially)..something has to give.

 

[RutherPlan]

If Kuzmenko breaks out in a big way, and he indicates that he would like to re-sign..I think it would be tough to retain all of Boeser,Horvat,Garland (even with the cap going up substantially)..something has to give.

what will give is Pearson/Poolman/Myers.

 

[I Hart Conor Garland]

I’m gonna miss the dick jokes.
Not the player though.
Was never a good pick up, hope he finds his stride elsewhere.

Never a solid idea

Always a bad fit

Only made soft contact

Very low impact

Limp

Poor distributor of the f***

 

[MS]

This team is just bleeding picks.

In the last year our net pick situation is that we're down a 2nd and up a 4th.

We bled picks since 2019 under Benning. We aren't 'bleeding picks' now.

 

[M2Beezy]

All the time in the world won't help poo be a better dman.

Thanks Jimbo.

Yeah but hindsight