We also had a bizarre number of OTLs, which one hopes will not happen again this year. Either win or lose, stop it with the loser points that take our balls away (in the lottery).
Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign RW Loui Eriksson to 6-year, $36m deal ($6m AAV w/ NMC)
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We also had a bizarre number of OTLs, which one hopes will not happen again this year. Either win or lose, stop it with the loser points that take our balls away (in the lottery).
clunk
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They're not contradictions when having players steal undeserved wins when we need to be rebuilding negatively impacts us...
Olli Juolevi
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Perhaps the regular season hasn't been incredibly mediocre but the post season has certainly been mediocre for 46 years. I like many other fans thought 2011 was going to be the year. I was wrong.
Nothing would bring me more joy than to see my home team celebrating a Stanley Cup win downtown.
The more signings we make like this only prolongs the enevitable decline of this team post sedins and pushes that dream of a Stanley Cup to be out of reach.
The Presidents Trophy is not meaningless, it means the team played pretty good hockey for a whole season. Certainly not "mediocre" hockey, though 2012 was a bit of a mirage. Still, we were the 2nd best team in hockey in 2010/11. Complaining about how long you've been suffering through mediocre hockey is silly.
me2
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Look, I don't necessarily disagree, and I certainly don't love the term of this contract, but you still do have to have players who can show the younger guys how to win. If you don't, you create a culture of losing without hope or discipline that will not help the next generation of players. The Sedins and Eriksson are character guys, excellent hockey players and consummate professionals. I want Virtanen and Horvat and Boeser and Juolevi learning from these guys, and not the Lucics and Kanes of the league.
But I agree that they need to choose a direction and commit to it, and can still go some way towards that by actively shopping many of their vets this season.
me2
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Really? The rebuild pain would be over by not of Benning was competent and we would be embarking on 10+ years of growth and happiness. You could even sign Eriksson
Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Connor Larkin Boeser
Baertschi Horvat Virtanen
Shinkaruk McCann Rodin etc etc etc
Hutton Tanev
Joulevi Provorov
Forsling Tryamkin
Corrado subban
Markstrom Demko
And a while bunch of other prospects
Olli Juolevi
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Die hard fan since the 90s, I grew up with Pavel. I don't think its silly to complain that the team`s overall philosophy to a rebuild/retool is flawed. That they are propering up this franchise with a broken hockey stick. That they are making signings like this to promote mediocre hockey.
I think its fair to complain that this franchise has not served its die hard fans with the rebuild that this team needs. This team is Calgary 2009-2012 trying to chase a 1st round exit. Not exactly the type of hockey I want to see year after year.
Pick a direction for the team not this half @ss we are in and out bull****. Canucks fans should be fed up that team year after year fails to make the correct choices for the future of the franchise.
Would be cool if management and owner can see things with such clarity.
Sedins + LE plus Edler+Tanev should do well to mentor our young guns.
At this point I'll settle for not trading ANY picks away, I don't care if players are lost as UFA, as long as picks are not lost, I'll be immensely happy.
Olli Juolevi
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Should have signed Matt Martin if they wanted to show the young guys the way to play the game. Loui is a great player but a 31 yr old #1RW isn't what this team needs right now. That's the kind of signing you make in 2009 when you have the sedins in their prime gunning for a Stanley Cup.
This team isn't gunning for a Stanley Cup, this team isn't gunning for a 1st overall pick (Conner McJesus, Austin Mathews) ... Well what is it doing? Gunning for a 1st round playoff exit is exactly what this team is doing and we should not be happy about it.
I'm not saying scorched earth Oilers style, but a leafs style rebuild is exactly what we need. Insulate the youth with some character vets (Matt Martin, Hamhis etc) but be realistic with your expectations.
Instead we are now faced with the prospect of an aging roster pretending to be a contender.
I do not love what Benning has done, and I am no apologist for him. There is no way to prove what you are saying would have happened either - it is easy to say this or that thing would have happened, but reality is a lot more complicated. But yes, I would love Forsling and Shinkaruk back, even if we still don't know if they will become anything at all.
All I am saying is that Eriksson doesn't kill the possibility of a functional rebuild, and possibly does add something good to the mix. He is a proven player, and we still do need that. I don't particularly trust that this management will do the other things necessary to rebuild this team, but Eriksson certainly isn't the death knell.
WhiteCurse
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This is the year....
I like Eriksson as a player - but this move fits with this management team having no real direction for this team. It's dizzying watching the moves they make as a lot of them are contradictory to previous moves, as well as what we hear management pitching. They are all over the place.
Olli Juolevi
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Eriksson is the nail in the coffin to this team getting the top 5 draft picks that it desperately needs. We desperately need to restock the cupboard with a #1C and unless you are content with P.White. Cody, the 2009 bust, or Gaunce as your #1C we NEED that top pick.
Are we though? Sedins are 36. Edler, Hansen and Eriksson are 30 and Burrows and Dorsett and Miller are up there. Of those, I have suggested the Canucks try to trade Edler, Hansen, Burrows, Dorsett and Miller, and they should be able to move at least some. (I hope)
Aside from that, we have Horvat, Baertschi, Virtanen, Boeser, Sutter, Gaunce, Granlund, Etem, Rodin, Tanev, Juolevi, Gudbranson, Hutton, Tryamkin, Markstrom, Demko - these are all quite young. Some of them will be very good, others effective role players, and others hot garbage.
It's not the worst of possible mixes, and there is room to rebuild there. I want to see more and better done, as you do. I very much want to see us load up on as many picks as possible for next year's draft. It should still be said that the Leafs still haven't proven anything yet, and nor have the Oilers for that matter.
Now you are being ridiculous. Even a tank or a terrible year can't guarantee a #1 overall pick, and even that pick does not guarantee a superstar. Eriksson also by no means guarantees a great or even good year, and this team has been making much better picks in the last few years than the ones you mention.
Kmode
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I agree. I'd even be happy for Edler to be traded at this point for the possible return, even though I like him as a mentor. But yes, picks should be sacrosanct right now. This is actually my greatest fear about this management, that they will keep bleeding these assets.
Johnny Canucker
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I hear you, and have registered my dismay at last year's debacle and my lack of faith that they will do this well this year. Still, nothing that happened today has ruined the possibility of them making some of these moves in the future, and in the meantime our young players can learn from a few quality vets.
Olli Juolevi
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I clearly said top 5 draft pick. It does not guarantee a superstar but it is the only sure fire way of drafting a player that can potentially carry the franchise. Panthers recently did a great job of their rebuild and now they have Eckblad, Barkov and other key pieces to build around. THAT is what I would like to see.
Yes the picks have generally been better which is fantastic but we need more picks and we are bleeding picks at the moment. I would be content with not trading any picks and just let JB draft the entire team from scratch.
I know, as long as they don't throw MORE picks into the sewers I'm happy.
Seems like our management thinks anything outside of 1st round picks are roughly the same as gummy bears that can be tossed out with no real loss.
Anyways, getting back to the LE deal. Like I said I'm ok with it, his style projects a slower decline than most, and even after the Sedins are gone he can still play a good part in our team.
I very much agree with the last paragraph. I hate the bleeding of assets that we have seen in the past few years.
As for the Panthers, they failed to qualify for the playoffs 13 of the past 15 seasons. They did not turn the ship around very quickly, though yes, I liked their team last year.
Yup. Infuriating. I'm fine with these kinds of moves (Eriksson) so long as we are keeping picks and developing prospects.
me2
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