Confirmed with Link: Canucks sign F Jason Dickinson to 3-Year, $7.95M Deal ($2.65M AAV)

[Killer Orcas]

He's just another over paid bottom 6'er that Benning likes to sign. I swear Benning has literally ruined the heart of half of British Columbia I can't even watch right now.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

"Utter [censored] pissing away a pick for a 26 year old bottom 6 center who is a RFA."

I got called out for being a troll by other posters and was given a warning for saying this when this trade was announced. Honestly, at least Beagle and Roussel were UFA's and only cost cap, and Roussel looked pretty good before his injury in 2018-19. We paid a 3rd round pick for a 4th line plug, and signed him to a freaking term contract, and are now shocked he looks like crap.

 

[bossram]

Except for the playing the center part, the expectation was for him to anchor the 3rd line.

I mean, if that was the expectation, then people probably thought too highly of him.

He was most successful in Dallas when used as the defensive 3rd wheel wing on a line with superior players. He doesn't do offense. He does the dirty work in the defensive zone and neutral zone for other guys.

If Canucks fans were hoping he'd elevate lesser players, that's on them. Dickinson has sterling defensive metrics. He's basically doing his job (or at least what people should've expected his job to be). Anything more was unrealistic.

 

[Hit the post]

I mean, if that was the expectation, then people probably thought too highly of him.

He was most successful in Dallas when used as the defensive 3rd wheel wing on a line with superior players. He doesn't do offense. He does the dirty work in the defensive zone and neutral zone for other guys.

If Canucks fans were hoping he'd elevate lesser players, that's on them. Dickinson has sterling defensive metrics. He's basically doing his job (or at least what people should've expected his job to be). Anything more was unrealistic.

Kind of like a Higgins. Difference being, we had actual centers who could take faceoffs & were strong defensively back then.

I laugh at CDCers who use Higgins as evidence of Gillis mortgaging the future.

 

[bossram]

Kind of like a Higgins. Difference being, we had actual centers who could take faceoffs & were strong defensively back then.

I laugh at CDCers who use Higgins as evidence of Gillis mortgaging the future.

Exactly. Higgins was a great 3rd wheel winger that added a lot to a line that already had other offensive players on it (AMEX line, Hodgson-Hansen, etc.). He did great in those roles.

He was never going to be a driver and was never asked to be one, until later in his career when the decline inevitablyy arrived.

Solid player on a great contract, used appropriately.

And regarding Dickinson, I don't even think he's been that bad. He has the best defensive metrics on the team. That's basically what he is: Defensive conscience with zero offense. People were hoping for too much of him.

 

[likash]

Higgins had goals from the 3rd/4th line as many as Dick had points ridding shotgun with Pavelski in Dallas. Another underrated trade by Gillis who could play anywhere up and down the line-up and not look out of place if it was nedeed.
Gillis indeed mortaged the future by trading a 3rd round pick for him while Jimbo has been rebuilding by giving away 2nd round picks for free. This should tell you enough about CDC. Most of them are Jim smart.

 

[mossey3535]

Exactly. Higgins was a great 3rd wheel winger that added a lot to a line that already had other offensive players on it (AMEX line, Hodgson-Hansen, etc.). He did great in those roles.

He was never going to be a driver and was never asked to be one, until later in his career when the decline inevitablyy arrived.

Solid player on a great contract, used appropriately.

And regarding Dickinson, I don't even think he's been that bad. He has the best defensive metrics on the team. That's basically what he is: Defensive conscience with zero offense. People were hoping for too much of him.

The issue is that Benning was hoping for too much from him and paid him accordingly.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

The issue is that Benning was hoping for too much from him and paid him accordingly.

His contract was somewhat in line with what his perceived value was..

 

[bossram]

The issue is that Benning was hoping for too much from him and paid him accordingly.

Haha well, this is one of the major issues with Benning writ large. He consistently, massively overrates middling players and pays them commensurate with how good he thinks they are.

 

[F A N]

Haha well, this is one of the major issues with Benning writ large. He consistently, massively overrates middling players and pays them commensurate with how good he thinks they are.

Dickinson was propped up by the media as well.

CA had him as one of the 3rd line trade targets:

Poachable: Jason Dickinson

25, LH, 6’2”, 200lb, RFA

Games	Goals	Assists	Points	Avg. TOI	Faceoffs	Def. Zone Starts	Corsi%	xG%	Scoring Chances	High-Danger Chances
2021	51	7	8	15	16:12	46.3%	55.9%	55.33%	56.15%	57.83%	56.09%

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

The Stars are one of the few teams around with a trio of strong two-way centers, and they’ll have to expose at least one of them — unless they trade them first.
Dickinson is the youngest of the bunch, and thus has the most upward potential, but he’s already shown quite well through parts of five seasons. Dickinson spent some time on the Stars’ top line this year, but he also started a good chunk of his shifts in his own end and against the best the opposition has to offer, and he still managed to come away with a boffo advanced statline.
Dickinson kills penalties with aplomb, and has the size and strength to match up with just about anyone. Even better, he’s yet to put up the sort of numbers that will result in a big salary increase, but he still could in the years to come. All of these are good reasons for the Stars to just keep him, so there may be some prying required on the Canucks end — start with a second round pick and add some loose change from

 

[timw33]

His contract was somewhat in line with what his perceived value was..

That's like saying that the Pearson contract is good because the Canucks felt that was the market rate for Tanner Pearson, an assessment that was completely wrong.

As mentioned in the original Dickinson thread, there were multiple comparables at much lower for similar or better players like Ryan Hartman, Barbashev and Teddy Blueger.

They got scared of going to arbitration, assessed him as a better player than he was, assessed him as a true centre, and felt pot committed by trading a 3rd to get his rights.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

That's like saying that the Pearson contract is good because the Canucks felt that was the market rate for Tanner Pearson, an assessment that was completely wrong.

As mentioned in the original Dickinson thread, there were multiple comparables at much lower for similar or better players like Ryan Hartman, Barbashev and Teddy Blueger.

They got scared of going to arbitration, assessed him as a better player than he was, assessed him as a true centre, and felt pot committed by trading a 3rd to get his rights.

I'm not saying that Dickensons deal is great, and I'm not justifying it..just pointing out that it was always going to be north of $2M...Again, he had a rough start, and I'm not going to tar and feather him just yet.

Tanner Pearsons salary is in line with where he plays..$3.2M is not top 6 money, ...I guesstimated he would get around $2.5M, but he got $700K more (I thought he was a RFA).

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Tanner Pearsons salary is in line with where he plays..$3.2M is not top 6 money, ...I guesstimated he would get around $2.5M, but he got $700K more (I thought he was a RFA).

You previously posted that it was "manufactured drama" created by posters suggesting he would receive between $3-4 million. Now it's "in line" with where he plays? You really don't seem to have any integrity or credibility to the point where I feel vicarious embarrassment for you.

 

[MarkMM]

I'm not saying that Dickensons deal is great, and I'm not justifying it..just pointing out that it was always going to be north of $2M...Again, he had a rough start, and I'm not going to tar and feather him just yet.

Tanner Pearsons salary is in line with where he plays..$3.2M is not top 6 money, ...I guesstimated he would get around $2.5M, but he got $700K more (I thought he was a RFA).

That's where context comes in...they may get that on the open market, but it was plainly stupid to pay them that in Vancouver given our cap situation (Benning induced).

Just because they may get that money it doesn't mean we should do it, if players are going to get paid money that will hurt the Canucks ability to build a competitive team, then you don't shrug and sign it, you walk away.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

That's where context comes in...they may get that on the open market, but it was plainly stupid to pay them that in Vancouver given our cap situation (Benning induced).

Just because they may get that money it doesn't mean we should do it, if players are going to get paid money that will hurt the Canucks ability to build a competitive team, then you don't shrug and sign it, you walk away.

Well,..are you going to give the player some time to redeem himself.?.or are you fully convinced that you've seen enough of this player that he is, what he is..?

 

[sting101]

I'm not sure i get how you acquire 6th to 10th forwards for your roster that are not defensive liabilities without some financial concessions?

I mean sure if we have players in our system in no way or fashion would you give up a draft pick and pay extra but when players are in their peak yrs and have given away the cheap first 3-5yrs to their original teams how are you supposed to negate this and also get players that fit?

Dick looks like not a great fit so far and it would be great if we had 24 yr old Janni Gourde called up from Utica/Abby and was able to step into a top9 role but we don't have anyone like that and teams are not giving them awa . Dallas fans wanted to keep Dickinson and had like for this player

I get that people are negative and pissed because so many things are not working out but Matthew Highmore has as many 5v5 pts as our #1C and Boeser right now. Maybe if the 'core" could actually score a few fuxxing timely goals and pushed teams back players like Dickinson and Pearson could have value like Malhotra and Higgins did when we spent a lot of time protecting leads.

Until Pettersson Boeser Horvat Miller have a shred of the effectiveness of the Sedins and Kesler Burrows this team is dead in the water.

 

[M2Beezy]

Yeah but he was going to be overpaid by someone

Yeah but try to silence criticism by saying its tar and feathering

Yeah but

But

But

 

[MarkMM]

Well,..are you going to give the player some time to redeem himself.?.or are you fully convinced that you've seen enough of this player that he is, what he is..?

Still holding out hope, there seems to be something funky going on with the team as a whole so I'd be really, really happy to see Dickinson turn it around, it's just not trending in a good direction and if he can become a bona fide 3C then Benning will have made an astute call.

For Pearson, though, I think we knew what we were getting and those dollars should have been prioritized elsewhere IMO.

 

[arttk]

I mean, if that was the expectation, then people probably thought too highly of him.

He was most successful in Dallas when used as the defensive 3rd wheel wing on a line with superior players. He doesn't do offense. He does the dirty work in the defensive zone and neutral zone for other guys.

If Canucks fans were hoping he'd elevate lesser players, that's on them. Dickinson has sterling defensive metrics. He's basically doing his job (or at least what people should've expected his job to be). Anything more was unrealistic.

I don’t think it was us hoping that he would do it but more so the Canucks communicating that to us. I mean look at the roster, how many centers do we have??? If Dickinson wasn’t penciled in as the 3rd line C then who was?

 

[bossram]

I don’t think it was us hoping that he would do it but more so the Canucks communicating that to us. I mean look at the roster, how many centers do we have??? If Dickinson wasn’t penciled in as the 3rd line C then who was?

I mean yeah, that's probably what the organization was hoping for too. And their evaluations of players have been incorrect time and again.

An objective analysis of Dickinson in Dallas would've yielded different results.

 

[F A N]

I mean yeah, that's probably what the organization was hoping for too. And their evaluations of players have been incorrect time and again.

An objective analysis of Dickinson in Dallas would've yielded different results.

This is the analysis that a Stars' fan blog did in terms of Dickinson vis a vis Faksa (selected quotes):

"Dickinson has been steadily improving off a stronger foundation. In fact, Dickinson’s defense was especially notable this season, as he was one of the NHL’s top defensive forwards, period."

"It’s worth noting that Dickinson was 5th in icetime (EV) per game this year."

"Not only does Dickinson profile like a player who can contribute to more wins with above average defense, but his game seems to be trending up while Faksa’s has been trending down. Throw in the fact that Dickinson is slightly younger, and making less per year*, and the choice is — while difficult — crystal clear.
*I know Dickinson is an RFA, but this still holds true. $2.8M for 3 years is his expected contract according to Evolving-Hockey’s contract projections."

 

[bossram]

This is the analysis that a Stars' fan blog did in terms of Dickinson vis a vis Faksa (selected quotes):

"Dickinson has been steadily improving off a stronger foundation. In fact, Dickinson’s defense was especially notable this season, as he was one of the NHL’s top defensive forwards, period."

"It’s worth noting that Dickinson was 5th in icetime (EV) per game this year."

"Not only does Dickinson profile like a player who can contribute to more wins with above average defense, but his game seems to be trending up while Faksa’s has been trending down. Throw in the fact that Dickinson is slightly younger, and making less per year*, and the choice is — while difficult — crystal clear.
*I know Dickinson is an RFA, but this still holds true. $2.8M for 3 years is his expected contract according to Evolving-Hockey’s contract projections."

And he's been the Canucks top defensive winger. Exactly as expected. Yet people are still disappointed in him. Why?

He's not putting up points. But they shouldn't expect him to. That quote doesn't say anything about offense.

 

[jigsaw99]

And he's been the Canucks top defensive winger. Exactly as expected. Yet people are still disappointed in him. Why?

He's not putting up points. But they shouldn't expect him to. That quote doesn't say anything about offense.

you still expect a little more offensive from your 3rd line Center. 1 goal and 0 assists in 14 games is not good enough. You can't have an offensive black hole. That's the problem we had with Beagle.

 

[Scorvat]

And he's been the Canucks top defensive winger. Exactly as expected. Yet people are still disappointed in him. Why?

He's not putting up points. But they shouldn't expect him to. That quote doesn't say anything about offense.

I think it's because #3c that could produce some offense and handle hard matchups was such a need that people pigeonholed him in that role.

He seems to be a lesser version of Pearson and I guess that's the logic of playing him with # 40 and # 6

Obviously we are only 16 games into the season, but they might have been better off not signing Dickinson and Poolman and instead going after Danault.

I'm not sure, Petey and the rest of the top 6 being so bad skews everything in regards to the forward group

 

[F A N]

And he's been the Canucks top defensive winger. Exactly as expected. Yet people are still disappointed in him. Why?

He's not putting up points. But they shouldn't expect him to. That quote doesn't say anything about offense.

Has Dickinson been playing wing for the Canucks? I think he has been playing C over 90% of the time here no?

In terms of the I test, I do feel that he has underwhelmed so I am disappointed in him so far. But his underlying numbers does suggest he has come advertised defensively.